Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool" (WorkingGroup) - Next Meeting

[Pietro Speroni di Fenizio <metagovernment AT pietrosperoni.it>]

Hi Marc,
sorry, but I couldn't answer you in the weekend.

Surely you can use this division to classify tools, but what is your
aim? To get some mental clarity or to find and build a tool that
reaches the widest possible consensus on a topic?

What you risk doing is to list all the tools that fit nicely in your
schema, and then have a bunch of rogue tools. That try, somehow, to
work at the same time with two or all three of the aspects. For
reasons that should be clear after having read my previous email,
those last tools are the ones where I would expect the app that makes
it to reside.

Cheers,
Pietro


On 12 October 2012 17:46, marc <marc AT merkstduwas.de> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> That's closer to what I asked for ;o)
> I will have a deeper look on it at the weekend...
>
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers
> marc
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Nollen
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:40 AM
> To: marc ; Metagovernment Project
> Cc: Piraten AG Meinungsfindungstool ; e2d-international AT googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: Re: [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool"
> (WorkingGroup) - Next Meeting
>
> Hi all,
>
> at E2D-international we started with a classification
>
> http://e2d-international.org/wiki/index.php?title=E-Voting_Taskforce
>
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message----- From: marc
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:12 AM
> To: Metagovernment Project
> Cc: Piraten AG Meinungsfindungstool
> Subject: Re: [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool"
> (WorkingGroup) - Next Meeting
>
> Hi all,
>
> With regards to your little 'misinterpretation' where to locate Vilfredo in
> the process, I would like to invite you to think about a 'classification'
> schema for our projects/tools/concepts.
>
> IMHO we are all pointing into the same direction, but on different tracks.
> That's a good thing, as long as all tracks are connected to eachother in
> some way ;o) To make this connectivity easier and more intuitive, it may be
> helpfull to have a kind of classification to put the projects/tools/concepts
> on.
>
> My very rough understanding of our domain is the one below. Please feel free
> to correct and enhance my very first draft:
> http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/Decision-Making-Standard
>
>
> Decision-Making (Willensbildung) as the overall social and political process
> could be devided into to following areas:
>
>
> 1) Information Gathering
>
> 2) Opinion-Forming
> 2.1) brainstorming
> 2.2) discussion
>
> 3) Decision Forming
> 3.1) voting
>
>
> Once we agreed on such schema, it may be easier to identify the differences
> and the similarities of the projects/tools/concepts. And yes of course, it
> is a many-to-many relation between projects/tools/concepts and schema
> category.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Cheers
> marc
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Allan
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:36 PM
> To: Metagovernment Project ; Piraten AGMeinungsfindungstool
> Subject: [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool" (Working
> Group) - Next Meeting
>
> Sorry Pietro, You're right, Vilfredo's not for brainstorming.
> It's for opinion formation and decision more than ideation.
>
> Pietro Speroni di Fenizio said:
>>
>> As the creator of Vilfredo I just would like to say that I disagree
>> with it being viewed as a brainstorming medium. If I wanted to make a
>> brainstorming system I would do a completely different system. No need
>> to use Pareto Front, go through iterations, find a consensus...
>>
>> It is a decision making system that works for specific type of
>> questions for groups with 4-15 people.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pietro
>
>
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