Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool" (WorkingGroup) - Next Meeting

["marc" <marc AT merkstduwas.de>]

Hi Paul,

On your E2D wiki I read something about PPI!?
Are you part of Pirate Party International!?

Cheers
Marc

-----Original Message----- 
From: Paul Nollen
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:40 AM
To: marc ; Metagovernment Project
Cc: Piraten AG Meinungsfindungstool ; e2d-international AT googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool" 
(WorkingGroup) - Next Meeting

Hi all,

at E2D-international we started with a classification

http://e2d-international.org/wiki/index.php?title=E-Voting_Taskforce


Regards

Paul

-----Original Message----- 
From: marc
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:12 AM
To: Metagovernment Project
Cc: Piraten AG Meinungsfindungstool
Subject: Re: [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool"
(WorkingGroup) - Next Meeting

Hi all,

With regards to your little 'misinterpretation' where to locate Vilfredo in
the process, I would like to invite you to think about a 'classification'
schema for our projects/tools/concepts.

IMHO we are all pointing into the same direction, but on different tracks.
That's a good thing, as long as all tracks are connected to eachother in
some way ;o) To make this connectivity easier and more intuitive, it may be
helpfull to have a kind of classification to put the projects/tools/concepts
on.

My very rough understanding of our domain is the one below. Please feel free
to correct and enhance my very first draft:
http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/Decision-Making-Standard


Decision-Making (Willensbildung) as the overall social and political process
could be devided into to following areas:


1) Information Gathering

2) Opinion-Forming
2.1) brainstorming
2.2) discussion

3) Decision Forming
3.1) voting


Once we agreed on such schema, it may be easier to identify the differences
and the similarities of the projects/tools/concepts. And yes of course, it
is a many-to-many relation between projects/tools/concepts and schema
category.

What do you think?

Cheers
marc

-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Allan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:36 PM
To: Metagovernment Project ; Piraten AGMeinungsfindungstool
Subject: [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool" (Working
Group) - Next Meeting

Sorry Pietro, You're right, Vilfredo's not for brainstorming.
It's for opinion formation and decision more than ideation.

Pietro Speroni di Fenizio said:
> As the creator of Vilfredo I just would like to say that I disagree
> with it being viewed as a brainstorming medium. If I wanted to make a
> brainstorming system I would do a completely different system. No need
> to use Pareto Front, go through iterations, find a consensus...
>
> It is a decision making system that works for specific type of
> questions for groups with 4-15 people.
>
> Cheers,
> Pietro

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