Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool" (Working Group) - Next Meeting

[Alexander Praetorius <citizen AT serapath.de>]

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Thomas von der Elbe <ThomasvonderElbe AT gmx.de> wrote:

Hello,

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 8:12, marc wrote:

Decision-Making (Willensbildung) as the overall social and political process could be devided into to following areas:


1) Information Gathering

2) Opinion-Forming

I think, "Position" would be a better term than "Opinion".

+1

Hello Thomas, if you'd like to help us with defining some terms, look here and vote with +1 0 -1 and feel free to comment of FORK your own definitions...
http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/Definitionen?

 

I have in mind the common situation, where 100 people have 100 opinions about an issue, after a long time of brainstorming and discussion they have reduced the number to 20 opinions. Further discussion (which in my "german" understanding is about exchanging rational arguments and trying to convince the others about the "truth") is at some point futile. Here negotiation comes in and is the only way to transform 20 opinions into one or a few positions. Negotiation is imo more like bargaining about the price on an Asian market, it is not so much about the thruth anymore, but nevertheless imo an integral part of politics and "Position-Forming".

therefore imo:

2) Position-Forming

2.1) brainstorming
2.2) discussion

2.3) negotiation

3) Decision Forming
3.1) voting

Since "Voting" can also be part of discussion (voting for arguments) and negotiation (voting for positions) we should maybe add 2.4) voting.

... my 2 cents.


Greetings,
Thomas

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Allan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:36 PM
To: Metagovernment Project ; Piraten AGMeinungsfindungstool
Subject: [MG] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool" (Working Group) - Next Meeting

Sorry Pietro, You're right, Vilfredo's not for brainstorming.
It's for opinion formation and decision more than ideation.

Pietro Speroni di Fenizio said:

As the creator of Vilfredo I just would like to say that I disagree
with it being viewed as a brainstorming medium. If I wanted to make a
brainstorming system I would do a completely different system. No need
to use Pareto Front, go through iterations, find a consensus...

It is a decision making system that works for specific type of
questions for groups with 4-15 people.

Cheers,
Pietro

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