Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [MG] International E-Democracy Talk - NO Session on UpcomingMonday

[Daniel Juling <daniel.juling AT consenser.org>]

Dear Ed Pastore,

I love your ideas! 

Yesterday, we talked in our AG-MFT meeting that we have a great situation to make something really big together, but due to the lake of time, we do not  really take the advantage of the current situation. Marc told us, that he has no more time to coordinate the international meetings. 

We all form the AG-MFT, we do it like a hobby. I (we) think that we have enough workload to convert the hobby into your main job. Some of us are prepared to do so, under the condition of a monthly assured income of 1000 Euro after tax. 

@ALL:

What do you think about professionalizing our work? 

BRAINSTORMING:

How could we finance the professionalizing? 

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Saludos,

@Schnittmenge

Am 23.10.2012 um 05:02 schrieb Ed Pastore <epastore AT metagovernment.org>:

Well, marc, you've done quite a good job of coordination so far. :) But yes, a core focus of Metagovernment is to facilitate collaboration and cross-polination of ideas, so we can try to pick up on your excellent start. If you'd like to continue working on coordinating these meetings, please do!

So the first administrative note is that this message is addressed to eight different list servers. Plus I can think of several more that could be invited, at least some of the time. (I suppose it depends on the topic.) So, would it make the most sense to start a new metagov list that acts as an announce list to these other lists? Would the admins of these various lists allow that announce list to cross-post?

The second administrative note is on topics. Presenting projects and theses is a good platform, but perhaps we should move on to broader issues that may involve some dissent. (For example, in metagov, we've had some interesting discussions on anonymity vs. public voting.) Just a suggestion; I'm open to whatever will work. Does anyone have suggestions on how to set an agenda of topics: is there perhaps a condorcet system we could use to select a rolling list of topics?


P.S. I just finished watching an Obama-Romney debate about how they would lead the world. It just astonishes me that almost everyone still buys into this idea that one person can/should have that kind of power. Anything we all can do to work together to make a more sane world has to be progress!



On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:03 AM, marc wrote:

Hi Michael and Ed,

Yes, you are right.

A) we should find a more appropriate time slot for ALL international
attendees
B) we should focus not just on existing concepts / tools / ideas, but
discussing and driving current topics further to a more common sense

Maybe the 'International E-Democracy Talk' could take place under the
umbrella of metagovernment.org?
Unfortunately I am not very used to coordinate international meetings, so
what are the best time slots from your experience?

What do you think?

Cheers
marc

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Subject: Re: [MG] International E-Democracy Talk - NO Session on
UpcomingMonday

Marc said:

We would like to keep on talking - any suggestions or opinions?

One possibility is to hold a discussion whenever there's a problem
that needs addressing.  The focus of the discussion would then be on
the problem, instead of a project (project talks could still happen,
of course, in some weeks).  Like the project talks (but unlike the
regular meetings), the problem talks would each have a single focus
(one problem).  So those who were interested could attend, and the
schedule could "roam" more easily to accomodate them, as Ed suggests.

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Ed Pastore said:

Greetings Marc et al,

Apologies for not participating earlier in the strings of conversations
stemming from these talks. They do in fact interest me greatly, but as
someone who is employed in the United States, the choice of German 21:30
on Mondays lands during the U.S. business day, making it usually
impossible for me to attend. (And should anyone in Asia wish to
participate, it lands in the middle of their night.)

Might you consider a roaming time and date, so as to accommodate a more
global audience? I understand of course that the talks stem from the
German Pirate Party, but if they are to be "international" talks, then
they will have to be more flexible.

I would be happy to participate or even present if you could find a time I
could attend (in Metagovernment, we often meet on weekends for this
reason).

Thanks,

Ed Pastore
http://metagovernment.org/wiki/User:Ed_Pastore


On Oct 21, 2012, at 9:09 AM, marc wrote:

Hi all,

Please note, that there is no International E-Democracy Talk on upcoming
Monday, 22nd October!

Because this is currently the weekly session slot of our working group
'AG Meinungsfindungstool' to discuss internal topics.
Nevertheless we definitely want to proceed with the International
E-Democracy Talk sessions, therefore we need to find a slightly
different approach.

We would like to keep on talking - any suggestions or opinions?

Cheers
marc

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