Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [MG] International E-Democracy Talk - NO Session on UpcomingMonday

[Ed Pastore <epastore AT metagovernment.org>]

Well, marc, you've done quite a good job of coordination so far. :) But yes, 
a core focus of Metagovernment is to facilitate collaboration and 
cross-polination of ideas, so we can try to pick up on your excellent start. 
If you'd like to continue working on coordinating these meetings, please do!

So the first administrative note is that this message is addressed to eight 
different list servers. Plus I can think of several more that could be 
invited, at least some of the time. (I suppose it depends on the topic.) So, 
would it make the most sense to start a new metagov list that acts as an 
announce list to these other lists? Would the admins of these various lists 
allow that announce list to cross-post?

The second administrative note is on topics. Presenting projects and theses 
is a good platform, but perhaps we should move on to broader issues that may 
involve some dissent. (For example, in metagov, we've had some interesting 
discussions on anonymity vs. public voting.) Just a suggestion; I'm open to 
whatever will work. Does anyone have suggestions on how to set an agenda of 
topics: is there perhaps a condorcet system we could use to select a rolling 
list of topics?


P.S. I just finished watching an Obama-Romney debate about how they would 
lead the world. It just astonishes me that almost everyone still buys into 
this idea that one person can/should have that kind of power. Anything we all 
can do to work together to make a more sane world has to be progress!



On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:03 AM, marc wrote:

> Hi Michael and Ed,
> 
> Yes, you are right.
> 
> A) we should find a more appropriate time slot for ALL international
> attendees
> B) we should focus not just on existing concepts / tools / ideas, but
> discussing and driving current topics further to a more common sense
> 
> Maybe the 'International E-Democracy Talk' could take place under the
> umbrella of metagovernment.org?
> Unfortunately I am not very used to coordinate international meetings, so
> what are the best time slots from your experience?
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Cheers
> marc
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Allan
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:19 AM
> To: Metagovernment Project
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> Subject: Re: [MG] International E-Democracy Talk - NO Session on
> UpcomingMonday
> 
> Marc said:
>> We would like to keep on talking - any suggestions or opinions?
> 
> One possibility is to hold a discussion whenever there's a problem
> that needs addressing.  The focus of the discussion would then be on
> the problem, instead of a project (project talks could still happen,
> of course, in some weeks).  Like the project talks (but unlike the
> regular meetings), the problem talks would each have a single focus
> (one problem).  So those who were interested could attend, and the
> schedule could "roam" more easily to accomodate them, as Ed suggests.
> 
> -- 
> Michael Allan
> 
> Toronto, +1 416-699-9528
> http://zelea.com/
> 
> 
> Ed Pastore said:
>> Greetings Marc et al,
>> 
>> Apologies for not participating earlier in the strings of conversations
>> stemming from these talks. They do in fact interest me greatly, but as
>> someone who is employed in the United States, the choice of German 21:30
>> on Mondays lands during the U.S. business day, making it usually
>> impossible for me to attend. (And should anyone in Asia wish to
>> participate, it lands in the middle of their night.)
>> 
>> Might you consider a roaming time and date, so as to accommodate a more
>> global audience? I understand of course that the talks stem from the
>> German Pirate Party, but if they are to be "international" talks, then
>> they will have to be more flexible.
>> 
>> I would be happy to participate or even present if you could find a time I
>> could attend (in Metagovernment, we often meet on weekends for this
>> reason).
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ed Pastore
>> http://metagovernment.org/wiki/User:Ed_Pastore
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2012, at 9:09 AM, marc wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Please note, that there is no International E-Democracy Talk on upcoming
>> > Monday, 22nd October!
>> >
>> > Because this is currently the weekly session slot of our working group
>> > 'AG Meinungsfindungstool' to discuss internal topics.
>> > Nevertheless we definitely want to proceed with the International
>> > E-Democracy Talk sessions, therefore we need to find a slightly
>> > different approach.
>> >
>> > We would like to keep on talking - any suggestions or opinions?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > marc
> 
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