Re: [Int-koordination] [pp-eu] [pp-eu.council] [pp-eu.board] Complaint for the upcoming council meeting of PPEU

[Thomas Gaul <thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de>]

Hello Bastian,

so far as I can see the council meeting seems not to be in session as
nobody has opened the meeting.

I will take that very question into the meeting as soon it is opened.

But thank you for the hint.

Best regards

Thomas



Am 26.05.2017 um 12:31 schrieb Bastian:
> Good Morning,
> 
> may I ask for an official agenda and monitoring pages of this hidden event?
> 
> Due to Article 14 (2):
> 
> “Council meetings are normally open to the public unless the Council itself 
> decides otherwise for all or part of its proceedings. This shall be the 
> exception and may only be decided for reasons of protecting the data of an
> individual or for similar concerns.”
> 
> Article 14 (3) “Non-voting representatives of Observer members and 
> Non-Voting-Delegates from Ordinary Members, and Members of the Board may 
> participate as well.”
> 
> Where can I find the decision, that the council-meeting is non-public to be 
> held on a hidden platform?
> 
> There is only ONE official notice on the blog, where can I find all 
> necessary decisions made by the board?
> 
> https://europeanpirateparty.eu/invitation-to-the-european-pirate-party-first-council-meeting-of-2017/
>  (2.5.2017)
> 
> Article 14 (7): “A link to a website with the agenda in the invitation 
> shall be sufficient and necessary.”
> 
> Btw: This public was outdated due to Article 14 (7):”… invite all members 
> by email at least one month before the date of the Council meeting…”
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> Bastian
> Coordinator PPDE  for Incorporation PPEU
> 
> Von: pp-eu [mailto:pp-eu-bounces AT lists.pp-international.net] Im Auftrag von 
> Muriel Rovira Esteva
> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Mai 2017 01:14
> An: Thomas Gaul
> Cc: Internationale Koordination; PPEU Board; PPEU coordination group; 
> Council of the European Pirate Party
> Betreff: Re: [pp-eu] [pp-eu.council] [Int-koordination] [pp-eu.board] 
> Complaint for the upcoming council meeting of PPEU
> 
> Dear Thomas,
> There is a list of the delegates under the "Quorum" agenda item on VoteIT. 
> The particular email addresses provided by the delegates are not there, 
> because in some cases they are personal emails.
> It would be nice to recommend the delegates or another representative from 
> the parties to register to the mailing lists, but I'm afraid we cannot 
> force them to do so against their will, specially since there are many 
> lists and I'm not even sure the Council decided on any particular one being 
> an official channel. Maybe that would be something that could be proposed 
> and decided on the Council Meeting.
> 
> As you know, you can spend months trying to have the updated contacts of 
> the members, and still find out after all this time that there's nobody at 
> the other side. I guess we all agree that it's a responsibility of the 
> member to ensure its contact details are updated if they change them, but 
> of course, we try our best nonetheless.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
>          Muriel
> 
> 
> 2017-05-26 0:45 GMT+02:00 Thomas Gaul 
> <thomas.gaul AT pp-international.net<mailto:thomas.gaul AT pp-international.net>>:
> Dear Muriel,
> 
> If you say so, I will follow your advice.
> 
> The proposal will be presented to the Council in time, using Vote-IT.
> 
> And on another issue, which parties are “accredited” atm. Think that might 
> be of interest as these mailing-lists we write to deem to have all 
> delegates on it. If not, the board should have addressed the admins for it 
> to just add those who are new etc.
> 
> Enjoy the night until the meeting will start.
> 
> And I would even recommend to send an additional email to board’s channels 
> with all the changes being around and all the hints you can give.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Thomas
> 
> Von: Muriel Rovira Esteva 
> [mailto:muriel AT pirata.cat<mailto:muriel AT pirata.cat>]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Mai 2017 00:39
> An: Thomas Gaul 
> <thomas.gaul AT pp-international.net<mailto:thomas.gaul AT pp-international.net>>
> Cc: PPEU coordination group 
> <pp-eu AT lists.pp-international.net<mailto:pp-eu AT lists.pp-international.net>>;
>  Muriel Rovira Esteva <muriel AT pirata.cat<mailto:muriel AT pirata.cat>>; PPEU 
> Board 
> <pp-eu.board AT lists.pp-international.net<mailto:pp-eu.board AT lists.pp-international.net>>;
>  Internationale Koordination 
> <int-koordination AT lists.piratenpartei.de<mailto:int-koordination AT lists.piratenpartei.de>>;
>  Council of the European Pirate Party 
> <pp-eu.council AT lists.pp-international.net<mailto:pp-eu.council AT lists.pp-international.net>>
> Betreff: Re: [pp-eu] [pp-eu.council] [Int-koordination] [pp-eu.board] 
> Complaint for the upcoming council meeting of PPEU
> 
> Dear Thomas,
> I think that it's better (for transparency and for record keeping) that the 
> proposals coming from a member are put forward by their delegates and not 
> the Board.
> 
> I'm afraid many registered delegates are not on any of these mailing lists, 
> so they may not be able to follow what's going on. Therefore, it's better 
> if all the formal discussions and proposals take place on the VoteIT 
> meeting and not on other channels.
> Greetings,
>           Muriel
> 
> 
> 2017-05-26 0:04 GMT+02:00 Thomas Gaul 
> <thomas.gaul AT pp-international.net<mailto:thomas.gaul AT pp-international.net>>:
> Dear Muriel,
> 
> thank you for this.
> 
> As for "the additional round" the previous email had been an official
> motion to the PPEU-Council on behalf of the PPDE delegaates, despite the
> wording.
> 
> If there is the need for PPDE to do it within the tool "Vote-IT" and you
> say so we will do so.
> 
> Thank you for your efforts.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Thomas
> Am 25.05.2017 um 23:58 schrieb Muriel Rovira Esteva:
>> Dear Thomas,
>>
>> Thank you for your suggestion. The system has already a built in Support
>> contact form, so I've added my email to it in order to receive any messages
>> sent there, and I also added a small note in the welcome page so that
>> people will see it even if they can't register. I've tried it and it worked
>> well, please let me know if you run into any problem with it.
>>
>> Regarding the election of a new board, right now the agenda item is there
>> for formal reasons, but of course it's useless because we didn't receive
>> any nomination on time. According to our statutes, in order to be able to
>> nominate candidates "(7) The Council may decide on additional rounds of
>> voting and the admission of new candidates, if a position could not be
>> filled."
>>
>> It is my understanding and suggestion that, as soon as we have carried out
>> the basic procedural decisions (chairs, agenda, quorum), that we should
>> propose to the Council to approve an additional round of admission of
>> candidates. This can be proposed under the agenda item "Other motions", if
>> you want, or under "Election of the new board". It would be great if PPDE
>> makes that motion so that the Council can decide on it.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>>          Muriel
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-25 22:41 GMT+02:00 Thomas Gaul 
>> <thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de<mailto:thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de>>:
>>
>>> Dear Muriel,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thank you for this. Please add an email address plus text for the public
>>> on the main page so if they are interested to follow the meeting have a
>>> possibility to contact you (or others) for adding them in if they have
>>> problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am now in the system. But I miss the opportunity for the council to
>>> “reopen the call for candidates” as the council has to decide on it,
>>> according to the statutes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That very decision has to be on there somewhere. If not this will be the
>>> request to add this as a motion on behalf of PPDE to the PPEU-Council.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* pp-eu 
>>> [mailto:pp-eu-bounces AT lists.pp-international.net<mailto:pp-eu-bounces AT lists.pp-international.net>]
>>>  *Im
>>> Auftrag von *Muriel Rovira Esteva
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2017 22:15
>>> *An:* Council of the European Pirate Party <pp-eu.council AT lists.pp-
> <mailto:pp-eu.council AT lists.pp-%0b>>> 
> international.net<http://international.net>>
>>> *Cc:* EU Election coordination group 
>>> <pp-eu AT lists.pp-international.net<mailto:pp-eu AT lists.pp-international.net>>;
>>> PPEU Board 
>>> <pp-eu.board AT lists.pp-international.net<mailto:pp-eu.board AT lists.pp-international.net>>;
>>>  Internationale
>>> Koordination 
>>> <int-koordination AT lists.piratenpartei.de<mailto:int-koordination AT lists.piratenpartei.de>>
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [pp-eu] [pp-eu.council] [Int-koordination] [pp-eu.board]
>>> Complaint for the upcoming council meeting of PPEU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I am creating now the users "by hand", you should receive an email from me
>>> in a few minutes.
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>>            Muriel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-05-25 21:20 GMT+02:00 Thomas Gaul 
>>> <thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de<mailto:thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de>>:
>>>
>>> Hello Tony,
>>>
>>> thanks for you efforts. I did not receive any mail from the system. (spam
>>> folder is empty as well)
>>>
>>> I was using this email address.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: 
>>> int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de<mailto:int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de>
>>>  [mailto:
>>> int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de<mailto:int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de>]
>>>  Im Auftrag von Tony
>>> Motakis (tvelocity AT gmail.com<mailto:tvelocity AT gmail.com> via 
>>> int-koordination Mailing List)
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2017 17:50
>>> An: 
>>> pp-eu.board AT lists.pp-international.net<mailto:pp-eu.board AT lists.pp-international.net>
>>> Cc: Council of the European Pirate Party <pp-eu.council AT lists.pp-
> <mailto:pp-eu.council AT lists.pp-%0b>>> 
> international.net<http://international.net>>; EU Election coordination 
> group <
>>> pp-eu AT lists.pp-international.net<mailto:pp-eu AT lists.pp-international.net>>;
>>>  Internationale Koordination <
>>> int-koordination AT lists.piratenpartei.de<mailto:int-koordination AT lists.piratenpartei.de>>
>>> Betreff: Re: [Int-koordination] [pp-eu.board] Complaint for the upcoming
>>> council meeting of PPEU
>>>
>>> Hello Thomas,
>>>
>>> Can you confirm whether you got an invitation email in the last minutes?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Tony Motakis 
>>> <tvelocity AT gmail.com<mailto:tvelocity AT gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello Thomas,
>>>>
>>>> With which email address(es) have you tried to register? I don't see a
>>>> registered user with your name/email.
>>>>
>>>> Are you using the register link here?
>>>> http://voteit.europeanpirateparty.eu/register
>>>>
>>>> Please also check your spam folder, while I investigate things from
>>>> our side for possible causes. If you checked yesterday, please check
>>>> again, there might have been a delay.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> 2017-05-24 23:18 GMT+02:00 Thomas Gaul 
>>>> <thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de<mailto:thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de>>:
>>>
>>>>> Dear board of PPEU!
>>>>>
>>>>> I made several attempts to sign in with the official Vote-IT via
>>>>> http://voteit.europeanpirateparty.eu/.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for now I have not received any response from that very system. So
>>>>> no sign in had been possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had made several attempts with even different email addresses.
>>>>>
>>>>> The board should assure that the participation in the Council Meeting
>>>>> is assured for those being officially part of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, as assured by the statutes the meeting shall be open to
>>>>> the public. As for the Vote-It tool I have found no way as to really
>>>>> assure the public can participate.
>>>>>
>>>>> As the assumed start (25.05.2017 00<tel:%2825.05.2017%2000>:00 CEST) is 
>>>>> coming close I expect
>>>>> the board to act very quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>> And for another thing, on the Vote-IT tool is mentionend a "how to"
>>>>> <https://prezi.com/mwgmftmou_qn/present/?auth_key=5hjiaos&;
>>> follow=hoch1kcutd31&kw=present-mwgmftmou_qn&rc=ref-80413>.
>>>>> This introduction is no longer available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please help out a.s.a.p.
>>>>>
>>>>> All delegates and the public should be able to participate. Please
>>>>> take care of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your efforts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Gaul
>>>>>
>>>>>
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