Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [AG Liquid Democracy] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming Tool"(Working Group) - Next Meeting

["marc" <marc AT merkstduwas.de>]

Just to clarify some confusion on time zones:

The next mumble session is coming on Monday, 8th October 2012 at 9.30pm 
(CET+1, that's UTC+2).
In this session Ronald Grindle gives us a deep insight into his concept of 
the "Architecture of a Democracy 2.0".

Also on Monday our working group AG MFT (short for AG Meinungsfindungstool) 
has its regular meeting shorten from 9pm to 9.30pm. This is just to make 
some necessary decisions on our conceptual papers.

We are looking forward to hearing you on mumble!

Server: mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de
Port: 64738 (standard)
User: <choose any alias>
Password: none
Chat Room: Bund / Arbeitsgemeinschaften / Technik(IT) /AG 
Meinungsfindungstool

Cheers
marc




-----Original Message----- 
From: Alexander Praetorius
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:37 PM
To: Metagovernment Project ; info AT liqd.net ; Michael Allan ; conseo ; Thomas 
von der Elbe ; Daniel Reichert ; AG Liquid Democracy ; Piraten AG 
Meinungsfindungstool ; info AT interaktive-demokratie.org ; 
adhocracy-dev AT lists.liqd.net ; justus_wingert AT web.de
Subject: [AG Liquid Democracy] Pirate Party Germany - "Opinion Forming 
Tool"(Working Group) - Next Meeting

To whom it may concern,


(Who wants What?)
the Pirate Party Germany, in particular the working group "AG 
Meinungsfindungstool" has invited developers and people interested in the 
topic, to join forces in a mumble conference.


THE PAST - (What happened?):

Our initial Meeting with international developers on  the 3rd of October 
2012 was very successful.
A. After a short round of introductions to each attendee, Slash gave a short 
overview of the current status of our working group 'AG 
Meinungsfindungstool': he expressed, that from our point of view, the 
process of decision-making can be seperated into three interacting systems:
1. Information System,
2. Discussion System and
3. Decision System.
=> Our working group deals with all questions regarding the Discussion 
System.
B. Then we talked about the intention of coming together and the current 
problems we face with Liquid Feedback and other tools of this genre.
C. Our first international Speaker was "Pietro Speroni di Fenizio" and he 
informed our working group about a tool called "Vilfredo goes to Athens".
The in-depth presentation took its time, but it inspired the working group 
and was defenitly worth it. If you like to learn more about it and our first 
meeting as a whole, you can download the audio here:

http://bayfiles.com/file/mL53/GDbWPZ/Mumble-2012-10-01-21-05-58-mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de-Mixdown.mp3

The notes to the session can be found here: 
http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/2012-10-03-Notizen



THE FUTURE - (Waht's next?):
Because this event (planned as a one timer), was so inspiring and 
successfull, we decided to host a series of meetings, where people from 
outside can share their thoughts on the matter.

We plan to have a single session for each concept or idea to be presented. 
The main intention is to get closer in touch with different projects and 
learn more about other concepts and iedeas.
It doesnt have to be a software prototyp, it could also be a concept or 
anything that falls into the scope of our "AG Meinungsfindungstool" 
(Meinungsfindungtstool = Opinion Forming Tool)
In every meeting, there will be a speaker that will present his approach, or 
the approach of the developer team he's part of.
If you know people who develop tools or concepts or have something to say in 
the general matter, please feel free to forward this email to them, so they 
might contact us.

- When?
=> Our next Meeting will probably take place on upcoming monday (October 
8th).
The normal meetings of our working group take place on mondays 8pm (+2 UTC),
but we'll send one doodle for each week now, as long as we're hosting the 
series in order to find the best possible time slot.
http://doodle.com/mf3iccnhvc2r2rvm#table (It doesnt have to be monday, but 
mondays are preferred by our working group)


- Where?
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/NRW:Mumble-Server

Server: mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de
Port: 64738 (standard)
User: beliebig
Passwort: keins
Raum: Bund / Arbeitsgemeinschaften / Technik(IT) /AG Meinungsfindungstool


- What?
The next session is coming on Monday, 8th October 2012 at 9.30pm (CET+2). In 
this session Ronald Grindle is giving us a deep inside into his concept of 
"Architecture of a Democracy 2.0".
http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/NextMumbleAgenda
Another future Speaker, probably "Thomas von der Elbe", will speak about 
"Votorola".
We'd love to have speakers who can talk about "Liquid Feedback?" or 
"Adhocracy?" too. We also would like to learn about the concept of "FGA 
(Federated General Assembly)" and "OVN (Open Voting Network)". There are 
hundreds of tools and concepts all over the world beeing currently developed 
and within the scope of our working group. If you know some of those 
brilliant tools or ideas that are already out there somewhere, or if you 
know about concepts that fall into the scope of our working group or are 
somehow related, then please feel free to share this email and contact us.



If you'd like to learn more about us - currently only available in german 
language:
- in General: https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/AG-Meinungsfindungstool
- in Particular: 
http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/Anforderungsanalyse-Grundidee

If you have any queries, don't hesitate to contact our working group!
https://service.piratenpartei.de/listinfo/ag-meinungsfindungstool



Thank you very much for your attention



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Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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[mail] mailto:alexander.praetorius AT serapath.de
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