[Int-koordination] CEEP: Die Vetos, die Italien nicht gestellt hat

[carlo von lynX <lynX AT pirate.my.buttharp.org>]

TL;DR:  Bericht aus Italien, Motivationen für Vetos und
        warum Italien diesmal wichtig ist.

Erstens, Italien wird voraussichtlich keine Unterschriften
einsammeln müssen (weil wir als internationale Bewegung
bereits im EP vertreten sind, Danke PP-DE! Den Rest macht
das kuriose italienische Wahlrecht). Seit gestern ist diese
Info auch publik, aber noch nicht promoted (WIRED.it sollte
eigentlich nen Scoop bringen, hat es aber nicht). Unsere
Chancen hängen total davon ab, wieviel Medienwirbel wir
auslösen können, und da haben wir im Vergleich zur verbrannten
Piratenpartei Deutschlands keine schlechten Karten. Bei der
in Italien heillos zerstrittenen Linken haben wir auch keine
geringen Chancen auf spontanes Wechselwählertum. Die meisten
Wähler finden derzeit alle Optionen auf dem Tisch ziemlich
schaurig.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 03:58:00AM +0100, Alexander Spies wrote:
> Da wir bei BPT abstimmen, müssten die deutschen Veto-Anträge bis Freitag
> gestellt sein.

Na dann kann ich noch einige Sachen beitragen... über Euch, da
ich selbst kein Mitglied bin. Italien hat's nicht tun wollen.

> Die Auswertung der Limesurvey-Umfrage ergibt keine genaueren
> Anhaltspunkte für weitere Vetos aus Deutschland:
> https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/wiki/images/5/53/CEEP_Umfrage.pdf

Wenn ich das richtig sehe hat das Space Programme besonders
starken Widerstand heraufbeschwört. Wenn man bedenkt, dass es
immer eine Mehrheit gibt, die keinen Staub aufwirbeln will, dann
sind die zweistelligen Veto-Befürworter eine relevantere Aussage
als die Zustimmungswerte, die zudem meistens unter 50% liegen.

So ist es jedenfalls in Italien geschehen: obwohl es Initiativen
gab, das Space Programme zu eliminieren oder wenigstens zu
dezimieren (den peinlichsten Unsinn rauszunehmen), hat sich die
Mehrheit einem besonders italienisch-opportunistischen Antrag
angeschlossen: möglichst keinen Staub aufzuwirbeln, möglichst
niemandem ans Bein zu pinkeln und einfach alles zu ratifizieren.
Im Subtext bedeutet das dann wohl, dass sich PP-IT eh nicht auf
das CEEP im Wahlkampf beziehen will, aber offiziell sei das jetzt
nur eine Mutmaßung von mir.

Ich leite Euch eine Mail vom 9. Januar weiter:

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We currently have three options collecting consensus in
our permanent assembly... one is to be kind to everyone,
not offend anyone, and accept the entire CEEP19 as is.
According to Italian mentality, this has a high chance
of winning. Unfortunately it's the same logic by which the
mafia works: you let me do my thing I won't stop yours.

The second option has some edits to the digital affairs
part that I posted in the list*, a thing about the structure
funds and the subsidiarity principle. But most of all it
suggests to remove the Space Program entirely. I posted
my thoughts on this in
    https://forum.partito-pirata.it/t/pirates-in-space-harlock-is-enough/2195

*) Gemeint ist pp-eu-digitalaffairs AT lists.european-pirateparty.eu
   Ich hänge die relevanten Teile gleich unten mit an.

As you can see there isn't much discussion going on, but
another Pirate wrote up a third option which only removes
"the ridiculous parts" from the Space Program. It suggests
to eliminate these paragraphs:

> Due to technology advancement and commercialization of space industry 
> things like off-Earth mining, colonization of other planets, interstellar 
> and interplanetary travel or planetary defense are no longer topics for 
> distant future but the present day.
> Support of research and development of high-end multi-purpose mitigation 
> and resources utilization technologies, such as laser techniques, to create 
> a functioning and secured space economy. Utilization of space resources 
> in-situ to foment a functioning space economy that will translate into 
> better and more accessible space-based services.
> The space program should also fund goals that are or seem to be out of 
> reach today.
> Working on far-flung targets, like building an interstellar light-sailing 
> laser, space elevator or space hook, will stimulate the development of 
> radically new technologies and materials. To ensure civilian use for 
> humankind benefit as well as effective scientific and economic 
> collaboration, such large and powerful space technologies should be 
> developed in par with international partners.

Other veto proposals are about formulations that imply
that Facebooks and Googles are granted their position
of power and the damage merely mitigated - that is
incompatible to the PP-IT goal of wanting to make their
surveillance economy business model illegal, given that
it is not only a threat to civil rights but to democracy
in general.

So, in a way the PP-IT is considering to pass a CEEP
which is in conflict with its own programme and planned
campaign, with the expectation that journalists will never
find out. I don't think that is a wise approach.

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In der folgenden Mail sind Vetovorschläge mit
<s/> markiert und die Begründung folgt:
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We'd like to remove this sentence:                                    
                                                                      
> <s>The collection or use of personal data for data trade, advertising or 
> market or opinion research must be allowed only with the active and 
> informed consent of the person concerned.</s>         
                                                                      
Reason/Alternative Text:                                              
                                                                      
*Psychogical studies show that citizen are unable to judge the long-term 
implications of consent given for the use of personal data. Additionally, 
they are lured into handing out social data about friends and family which 
they are legally not allowed to, incentivating a culture of pervasive data 
breach. Ultimately, social data is ideal to predict and manipulate democratic 
procedures and outcomes. That is why the Pirates think social data must be 
protected at all times and never become available for commercial, political 
or military purposes. Making social data technically impossible for third 
parties to collect and evaluate is of constitutional priority to maintain 
democracy.*

> Citizens' data must be processed, managed and secured with free software 
> tools <s>wherever possible. Proprietary software may only be used as long 
> as free software cannot effectively be used or created for that specific 
> purpose.</s>.

*Use of reproducible free software when dealing with human and social data 
must be mandatory.*

Time's over for excuses to use proprietary software.
Proprietary software is totalitarian by design.

**Net Policy**

> <s>Citizens should have the option to access the Internet anonymously.</s>

We must stop metadata surveillance if we want to regain democracy.
The "option" is not enough.

*Pirates promote legislation to make Internet access anonymous for everyone 
at all times. Citizen are only authenticated among each other and to the 
companies they choose to. In rare cases when a judge has signed a 
surveillance order which requires the police to obtain physical access to the 
devices of the suspect person.* (also from ObCrypto)

> **Unlocking the Net: <s>A right to interoperability</s>**
> Commercial social and messaging platforms are well known to spy on their 
> users, to help advertisers manipulate them and to censor online 
> communications. <s>When leaving such platforms, Pirates want users to have 
> the right to take their contacts to an alternative service and keep in 
> touch with them. Social and messaging platforms need to be made 
> interoperable.</s>

Interopability is a 20 year old recipe that has always failed. Interop and 
data migration doesn't solve the problem that the data is already in the 
wrong hands and will be abused even if GDPR makes it illegal to do so. Here's 
the ObCrypto view on the topic:

*There cannot be any platforms that have access to such fundamental 
information such as who is friends with whom and what they are talking about 
in private. Pirates want to introduce a reform that obliges industry and 
technology task forces to develop new Internet standards that guarantee 
profoundly private communication channels between human beings from device to 
device without any intermediate entities gaining access to any data.*