Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [pp.int.general] [AG Liquid Democracy] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?

[Betiel <betielix AT gmail.com>]

I always wanted to create some collaborative project to do all the tools we want just the way  we want.

I`m afraid I do not have time to take the wheel and start it, neither to program them :(

But, as we have the pirate times, I believe creating a programming project would be nice!

So I throw the idea to the list. 

Betiel

2014-06-02 6:46 GMT-03:00 Martin Stolze <pirate.martin AT stolze.cc>:

Hey Jacob,
Thanks a lot that is one exciting idea! I try to look at approaches mostly under the aspect of whether they can work and create traction. There are a few criteria that I found significant. Simplicity, is the most important of them. Think about limesurvey, the only tool producing any meaningful feedback as of now.
Anything "Meinungsfindungstool" is like 10 Degrees more complex and for that it seems to be not implementable right now. - And who speaks German anyway? ;)

I like to think of it like layers of an onion. The first layer must be very simple, not even as complex as “yes” or “no”. Just a simple "like/+1" may suffice. This and a focus on seamless integration to wherever people spend their time must be the priority. Once somebody is hooked we can go down the rabbit whole and do all the “Meinungsfindung”.
- It’s what I like about Silicon Valley and placeavote.com, they keep it simple and deliver something appealing, the rest is iteration. In contrast, udeci.de seems to take the opposite approach.

Best Regards
Martin

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jacob Kanev <j_kanev AT arcor.de> wrote:

Hi Martin,

you might also want to connect with the people from our "AG Meinungsfindungstool" [1]. They're busy implementing something called qKonsens, an online system that combines voting and discussing.

I'm not sure how far it is, I haven't followed the discussion in detail, but as far as I can see some good ideas have met some programmers.

Lots of regards, Jacob.

[1]
ag-meinungsfindungstool AT lists.piratenpartei.de

On Sunday 01 June 2014 20:49:39 Martin Stolze wrote:
> ​​
> Hi Together,
> I keep arguing that a lack of infrastructure is actually our biggest
> challenge. I guess, by now, it is safe to say that we don't actually have
> the capacity to build something ample ourselves (Liquid Feedback, shitty
> mailing lists, limesurvey you name it). The way I see it is that we simply
> don't manage to activate the talent that would be necessary to develop
> something pioneering. All the good ideas and innovations coupled with our
> lofty idealism is worth nothing if nobody is pouring them into Java or PHP.
>
> The guys at placeavote.com have been gone through the news as they try to
> shoehorn direct democracy into any form of electoral system by means of
> levering it out and replacing politicians with proxies that only relay
> decisions made by the corresponding constituency.
>
> Of course implementation, especially in the US, is highly unlikely. However
> using it at least internally to a certain degree or forking it a little can
> be a chance for us to move out of the technological middle ages that we are
> stuck in.
>
> It also seems not to be open source (yet?) but I am thinking more along the
> lines of sweet-talking the guys behind it into working for us as some kind
> of software consultants, maybe we can flatter them with a bit of the cash
> that should come our way in form of election refunds?
> ​ :)​
>
>
> What do you think?

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