Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [pp.int.general] [AG Liquid Democracy] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?

[Betiel <betielix AT gmail.com>]

Please send me an invitation when available!

Thanks!!

Betiel

2014-06-02 16:05 GMT-03:00 Dario Castañé <dario AT pirata.cat>:

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Hi there :) In Brussels we met to talk about starting a group to
develop tools around liquid organizations concept:
http://thinkship.cc/en/introduction-to-liquid-organizations/

After EU elections we wanted to restart the project creating a mailing
list so you are welcome to join us when it is available!

El 02/06/14 20:45, Betiel escribió:

> I always wanted to create some collaborative project to do all the
> tools we want just the way  we want. I`m afraid I do not have time
> to take the wheel and start it, neither to program them :( But, as
> we have the pirate times, I believe creating a programming project
> would be nice! So I throw the idea to the list.
>
> Betiel
>
>
> 2014-06-02 6:46 GMT-03:00 Martin Stolze <pirate.martin AT stolze.cc>:
>
>> Hey Jacob, Thanks a lot that is one exciting idea! I try to look
>> at approaches mostly under the aspect of whether they can work
>> and create traction. There are a few criteria that I found
>> significant. Simplicity, is the most important of them. Think
>> about limesurvey, the only tool producing any meaningful feedback
>> as of now. Anything "Meinungsfindungstool" is like 10 Degrees
>> more complex and for that it seems to be not implementable right
>> now. - And who speaks German anyway? ;)
>>
>> I like to think of it like layers of an onion. The first layer

>> must be very simple, not even as complex as ?yes? or ?no?. Just a

>> simple "like/+1" may suffice. This and a focus on seamless
>> integration to wherever people spend their time must be the
>> priority. Once somebody is hooked we can go down the rabbit whole

>> and do all the ?Meinungsfindung?. - It?s what I like about

>> Silicon Valley and placeavote.com, they keep it simple and
>> deliver something appealing, the rest is iteration. In contrast,
>> udeci.de seems to take the opposite approach.
>>
>> Best Regards Martin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Jacob Kanev <j_kanev AT arcor.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Martin,
>>>
>>> you might also want to connect with the people from our "AG
>>> Meinungsfindungstool" [1]. They're busy implementing something
>>> called qKonsens, an online system that combines voting and
>>> discussing.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how far it is, I haven't followed the discussion
>>> in detail, but as far as I can see some good ideas have met
>>> some programmers.
>>>
>>> Lots of regards, Jacob.
>>>
>>> [1] ag-meinungsfindungstool AT lists.piratenpartei.de
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday 01 June 2014 20:49:39 Martin Stolze wrote:

>>>> ?? Hi Together, I keep arguing that a lack of infrastructure

>>>> is actually our biggest challenge. I guess, by now, it is
>>>> safe to say that we don't actually
>>> have
>>>> the capacity to build something ample ourselves (Liquid
>>>> Feedback, shitty mailing lists, limesurvey you name it). The
>>>> way I see it is that we
>>> simply
>>>> don't manage to activate the talent that would be necessary
>>>> to develop something pioneering. All the good ideas and
>>>> innovations coupled with
>>> our
>>>> lofty idealism is worth nothing if nobody is pouring them
>>>> into Java or
>>> PHP.
>>>>
>>>> The guys at placeavote.com have been gone through the news as
>>>> they try
>>> to
>>>> shoehorn direct democracy into any form of electoral system
>>>> by means of levering it out and replacing politicians with
>>>> proxies that only relay decisions made by the corresponding
>>>> constituency.
>>>>
>>>> Of course implementation, especially in the US, is highly
>>>> unlikely.
>>> However
>>>> using it at least internally to a certain degree or forking
>>>> it a little
>>> can
>>>> be a chance for us to move out of the technological middle
>>>> ages that we
>>> are
>>>> stuck in.
>>>>
>>>> It also seems not to be open source (yet?) but I am thinking
>>>> more along
>>> the
>>>> lines of sweet-talking the guys behind it into working for us
>>>> as some
>>> kind
>>>> of software consultants, maybe we can flatter them with a bit
>>>> of the
>>> cash

>>>> that should come our way in form of election refunds? ? :)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> -- ____________________________ Pungenday, 7th of Confusion,
>>> 3180. jacob kanev twitter: @j_kanev jabber:
>>> jkanev AT jabber.ccc.de

>>>
>>>
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