Re: [AG-GOuFP] Monetary Paradigms and Liberty - Structural demand gap of money

[Arne Pfeilsticker <Arne.Pfeilsticker AT piratenpartei-hessen.de>]

> Am 12.01.2016 um 13:30 schrieb moneymind <moneymind AT gmx.de>:
> 
> Hallo Arne,
> 
> ja, zum Thema Zins etc. erzählt Collignon leider Stuß (auch sonst ist er 
> nicht unbedingt ein Meister der Klarheit in monetary economics). Immerhin 
> hat er im Kulturvergleich erkannt, daß die Vorstellung, daß "all men are 
> born free and equal" nichts mit historischer und kulturvergleichender 
> Empirie zu tun hat, sondern ein naturrechtliches Ideal des 18. Jahrhunderts 
> darstellt, mit Wurzeln in der klass. Antike natürlich.
> 
> John R. Commons hat das auch klar erkannt - vor allem hat er ganz klar 
> erkannt, daß Ökonomie sich nicht um Güter, sondern ausschließlich um Rechte 
> dreht. Nur ein paar Zitate aus:
> 
> John R. Commons: Institutional Economics. Its Place in Political Economy. 
> New Brunswick: Transaction Publishers 1990; New York: Macmillan 1934
> 
> /“Other sciences deal with things – economics deal with legal rights over 
> things.” (400) /
> 
> Commons führt diesen Gedanken auf MacLeod 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Dunning_Macleod zurück:
> /
> “It is not “land, houses, cattle, corn,” he goes on, but it is “property” 
> in land, houses, cattle, and corn “and all other material things,” that 
> economics deals with. Property is the same as property rights; the material 
> things have no value for economics except as they can lawfully be owned and 
> their ownership lawfully transferred. Any other kind of holding or 
> transferring is embezzlement, robbery, theft. Other sciences deal with 
> things – economics deal with legal rights over things.” (400)/
> 
> /“Most persons,” he says, “when they speak or hear of Property, think of 
> some material things, such as lands, houses, cattle, money, etc.” But that 
> is not the true meaning of Property. The word “Property, in its true and 
> original sense, does not mean a material thing; but the absolute right to 
> use and dispose of something. ... Property ... in its true sense means 
> solely a Right, Interest, or Ownership; and, consequently, to call material 
> goods Property is as absurd as to call them Right, Interest, Ownership.” 
> (MacLeod, H.D. Economics for Beinners, 23, 24; cit.in John R. Commons: 
> Institutional Economics. Its Place in Political Economy. New Brunswick: 
> Transaction Publishers 1990; New York: Macmillan 1934, 400)./
> 
> "“/Economics, he says, deals only with exchange-values, not with use-values 
> which he held were psychological. Only exchange-values can be measured by 
> money. Therefore the right in corporeal property which he really intends, 
> is the right, not to use the thing but is the right to alienate the 
> ownership and to give a good title to the buyer.” (404-405).

Hallo Wolfgang,
danke für den Hinweis. - Da spricht mir einer aus der Seele. :-)

Gruß
Arne
> 
> Und zum Thema Kredit und Kreditgeld:
> 
> [i]“If it were asked”, said MacLeod, “what discovery has most deeply 
> affected the fortune of the human race, it might probably be said with 
> truth – The discovery that a Debt is a Saleable Commodity.” (John R. 
> Commons: Institutional Economics. Its Place in Political Economy. New 
> Brunswick: Transaction Publishers 1990; New York: Macmillan 1934, 397). /
> 
> In other words, sobald aus einer Namensforderung (spezifizierter Gläubiger, 
> der nicht wechseln kann, also lediglich bilaterales Schuldverhältnis) eine 
> Inhaberforderung wird (Wechsel, bill of exchange), sind 
> Kreditzahlungsmittel erfunden.
> 
> Commons ist der Knüller - Keynes hat ihm mal geschrieben:
> /
> "There seems to be no other economist with whose general way of thinking I 
> feel myself in such genuine accord."/
> 
> http://www.cairn-int.info/article-E_LECO_038_0077--keynes-and-commons.htm
> 
> Und erst seine WERTTHEORIE!!!! Absolut erste Sahne ... der Hammer! MUSSTE 
> Dir anschauen!
> 
> Grüße
> Wolfgang
> 
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