AW: [Int-koordination] [pp-eu] [pp-eu.board] [pp-eu.council] Complaint for the upcoming council meeting of PPEU

[Bastian <bastian AT piratbb.de>]

Hi Thomas,

 

I think that nobody will discuss this problem. It’s the question of power not of discussing any problems. Maybe we name it stubborn. It’s a special behaviour we learned in Brussels 2014. That’s the reason why really _nothing_ happened since then (#UASY we had another meeting in Brussels in 2015, nobody cares for the “results”).

 

My idea was to arrange something. But now it’s outdated.

 

So, may the force be with you.

 

CU
Bastian

 

Von: int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de [mailto:int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de] Im Auftrag von "Thomas Gaul"
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Mai 2017 00:41
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Hello!

Thank you Bastian, that is why I on behalf of PPDE said aloud some month ago in a board meeting of PPEU (the ones difficult to get notice of) that PPDE will go to court if the current way will be the way the board of PPEU deems appropriate.

 

The proposed alternatives, given by PPDE had even not been handled by the current board, though on the agenda.

 

The current statutes just do not justify an asynchronous meeting. If need to be, a court will have to decide on it.

 

Unfortunately it will have to be a real court due to the fact that a “court of arbitration” had been left out of the statutes deliberately.

 

But first I like to give the PPEU council the chance to find out for itself, that the current format does not fit the statutes. If all members (not only the present members) will agree to it, all might be good.

 

Let us see if all members will agree to it. A motion to the council will be handed it accordingly.

 

Best regards

 

Thomas

 

 

 

 

 

Von: pp-eu [mailto:pp-eu-bounces AT lists.pp-international.net] Im Auftrag von Bastian
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Mai 2017 00:29
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Hi Muriel,

 

that’s the point: “Meeting may be in person or online” means “in person or online”. That means “have to be present”, maybe online (Mumble, Skype, Openmeetings whatever). Every people who is working in business (organisation) knows exactly what that means. We can do this either in the future, but after changing our statutes. Today it’s not according to our statutes – and I will promise even a Belgium court will accept my opinion.

 

So, you (or the rest of board) have the choice. But please don't blame the whole PPEU. Thx.

 

CU

Bastian

 

 

Von: [mailto:int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de] Im Auftrag von Muriel
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Dear Bastian,

>> Apart from the violation of all rules and deadlines: <<

I think we might disagree on what is the definition of a "meeting" or an "online meeting" (although our statutes clearly state "Meeting may be in person or online.") or the interpretation of the statutes, but I can't believe you believe that we have violated ALL rules.  :)

Greetings,

          Muriel

 

 

2017-05-25 23:37 GMT+02:00 Bastian <bastian AT piratbb.de>:

Hi Muriel,

 

ok. But that’s not the main problem. Apart from the violation of all rules and deadlines:

 

You have only two choices:

 

a)           Cancel this event,

b)           Do this non-present event, collect votings for anything and send this votings to all Council members who _have to accept them unanimously_.

 

Your decision.

 

Or ask MaB, he knows everything better… ;-)

 

CUS

 

Bastian

 

 

Von: int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de [mailto:int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de] Im Auftrag von Muriel
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Mai 2017 23:25
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Dearest Bastian,

Sorry, I see I didn't explain myself very well...

When I say that we had technical problems sending the invitations I don't mean the email announcement sent by the board to call for the Council Meeting, that email was sent on time to the contact emails of the members several weeks ago, so that is alright.

I meant the VoteIT "invitation" to the meeting we sent yesterday from the system to the delegates that had not yet created by themselves a user in the system in the previous days or during the tutorial. This was in order to facilitate that they could create a user in the VoteIT system more easily and ASAP, but it was strictly not a requirement, since already existing users can be easily added to the meeting, which was the case for most delegates.

Greetings!

 

          Muriel

 

 

2017-05-25 22:41 GMT+02:00 Bastian <bastian AT piratbb.de>:

Hi Muriel!

 

Sorry, but isn’t too late at all?

 

The statues are quite clear:

 

Article 14 (7):

 

The Council will meet at least once in a calendar year, more often if requested by at least 1/4 of the Ordinary Members or by a decision of the Board. Meeting may be in person or online. If the Council meeting is in person, remote participation of non-attending members shall be possible. The Board will prepare the meetings and invite all members by email at least one month before the date of the Council meeting. In urgent cases this time may be shortened to an appropriate length. The invitation to the Council meeting has to specify date, time, place and the draft agenda of the meeting. A link to a website with the agenda in the invitation shall be sufficient and necessary.

 

Nothing is fulfiled.

 

And a meeting is a meeting. A meeting is not defined as an “unsynchronous something” in the cloud. You may do that, if _all_ council members will accept decisions by writing form (unanimously).

 

You can do it the future, if the council have changed the statues.

 

Best regards,

 

Bastian

Member of Statues Group

 

 

 

Von: int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de [mailto:int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de] Im Auftrag von Muriel Rovira Esteva
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Dear all,

I am creating now the users "by hand", you should receive an email from me in a few minutes.

Greetings,

           Muriel

 

 

2017-05-25 21:20 GMT+02:00 Thomas Gaul <thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de>:

Hello Tony,

thanks for you efforts. I did not receive any mail from the system. (spam folder is empty as well)

I was using this email address.

Best regards

Thomas

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Von: int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de [mailto:int-koordination-request AT lists.piratenpartei.de] Im Auftrag von Tony Motakis (tvelocity AT gmail.com via int-koordination Mailing List)
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Hello Thomas,

Can you confirm whether you got an invitation email in the last minutes?

Best regards,
Tony

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Tony Motakis <tvelocity AT gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Thomas,
>
> With which email address(es) have you tried to register? I don't see a
> registered user with your name/email.
>
> Are you using the register link here?
> http://voteit.europeanpirateparty.eu/register
>
> Please also check your spam folder, while I investigate things from
> our side for possible causes. If you checked yesterday, please check
> again, there might have been a delay.
>
> Best regards,
> Tony
>
> 2017-05-24 23:18 GMT+02:00 Thomas Gaul <thomas.gaul AT piratenpartei.de>:

>> Dear board of PPEU!
>>
>> I made several attempts to sign in with the official Vote-IT via
>> http://voteit.europeanpirateparty.eu/.
>>
>> As for now I have not received any response from that very system. So
>> no sign in had been possible.
>>
>> I had made several attempts with even different email addresses.
>>
>> The board should assure that the participation in the Council Meeting
>> is assured for those being officially part of it.
>>
>> Additionally, as assured by the statutes the meeting shall be open to
>> the public. As for the Vote-It tool I have found no way as to really
>> assure the public can participate.
>>
>> As the assumed start (25.05.2017 00:00 CEST) is coming close I expect
>> the board to act very quickly.
>>
>> And for another thing, on the Vote-IT tool is mentionend a "how to"
>> <https://prezi.com/mwgmftmou_qn/present/?auth_key=5hjiaos&follow=hoch1kcutd31&kw=present-mwgmftmou_qn&rc=ref-80413>.
>> This introduction is no longer available.
>>
>> Please help out a.s.a.p.
>>
>> All delegates and the public should be able to participate. Please
>> take care of it.
>>
>> Thank you for your efforts.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Thomas Gaul
>>
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