Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] DISQUS

[Martin Stolze <pirate.martin AT stolze.cc>]

Whether something like a degree or a promotion is useless or not is subjective but I subscribe to your sentiment in general.
Once upon a time I put up the pirate party learning lounge (http://goo.gl/ME9ct1) that never took off ... because drum roll ... nobody's got time.
It was really the simplest of all approaches because we would just join a particular online course together, educate ourselves and at the same time debate, agitate and dominate the discussion in class to push our agenda.
Sounds fun right?

So what's the issue? Time. People only sacrifice resources like time if they receive something in return. You see the very 'engaged' Pirates who now leave the party? They invested their time because they expected a return. Something like a position or function, most likely a seat in the EU-Parliament or at least a comfortable position in it's periphery.

What you propose sounds good in theory, but learning to code doesn't help me very much. I make more by understanding the business and telling coders in India what to do instead of doing it myself (even though I'd love to).

The effort necessary to produce good code for me would come at an immense cost. I am sure you will come to understand that in a not to distant future.

What I am trying to get at is that we should maybe first try to find a way to liberate pirates from the everyday shackles that force them to concentrate their time in such a way and not another.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Alexander Praetorius <citizen AT serapath.de> wrote:

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Martin Stolze <pirate.martin AT stolze.cc> wrote:

The pirate party should offer a professional program to help people to become literate!

Word!

I sincerely applaud your point of view. The only criticism would be time. I am also loaded to the brim with way to many projects and would not dare to take on anything in addition. How can we bring people to carve out the necessary time to actually engage? I wonder who would be the ideal candidate to court for learning and finally contributing to the ongoing projects.
To me, the value proposition doesn't really add up. I came to realize that I simply can't pay the opportunity cost (saying no to job/promotion/degree/girlfriend/family) without feeling shitty about myself.

in our times, stop wasting time for a useless promotion or degree would be the first thing to do and engage in "open science" instead and become more entrepreneurial. It has never been easier then in our times.
Done properly, a job as a programer or even other technical professions can be combined with contributing to open source easily. Just start releasing "mini libraries" which follow the unix philosophy of doing things, which you code anyway in order to get your job related tasks done.
And if you work in an environment, where this is strongly discouraged, think about switching jobs (which is also some kind of political vote) :-)

Thos people who do this can inspire and lead the way for others...
I personally started out in corporate jobs, switchted to the startup scene, then switched to freelancing, then switched to "Location Independent Income Freelancing", then created my own meetup group with like minded people and now trying to get some kind of "open agency" started, which operates on the foundations of "gitter.im, github.com, waffle.io" and all participants will work together based on contracts + we toy around with ways of creating "educational programs" to teach people programming FOR FREE, enabeling them to hopefully soon afterwards take "tasks" from our projects and earn money with it.... that way, they can even earn for learning :-)

 

However, in the long run, I remain hopeful that I can restructure my life to include more open source and pirate party work.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Alexander Praetorius <citizen AT serapath.de> wrote:

i'm busy with getting my own business up and running and also deepen my knowledge in node.js.
i'm planning to return to being more involved in the future, but currently its not my top priority.
my long term goals still include helping advance "AG Meinungsfindungstool" and "AG GOuFP" :-)

i followed both fore aproximately a year or so and participated very intense, especially in "AG GOuFP".
My conclusion is, that talking wont bring us far, but doing. We need more programmers actually doing stuff, so that there will be VISIBLE PROGRESS which can be discussed, experimented with and feedback can be given.

The pirate party should offer a professional program to help people to become literate!

...once there was "reading & writing" as skills only known by a minority of people. The average person could not participate.
The new literacy of our times is programming and those who can not program are excluded from the dialogue that will shape the future of mankind. The more programmers we have in the party, the faster progress will be, because OPEN SOURCE is currently actively shaping the political landscape by defining how people will interact online, where all the discourse will take place....

=> nodeschool.io

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:38 PM, marc <marc AT merkstduwas.de> wrote:

yes, that's already on my screen - they have a very promising and
interessting API conception: https://disqus.com/api/docs/requests/

I disussed this with Tim (he is currently inactive, unfortunately) in the
very beginning of our d!sco implementation, but for now, I am afraid we do
not have enough man power to follow up this road right now...

-----Original Message----- From: Alexander Praetorius
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 3:24 PM
To: Piraten AG Meinungsfindungstool
Subject: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] DISQUS

i stumble upon DISQUS more and more often and i see a lot of activity is
there.
It has been created by the people behind "Stack Overflow" and it can be used
on any website, allowing users to communicate with each other using their
existing account/identity.

It doesnt have so many rules to structure the discussion, but some basics,
but it has a lot of traction, so maybe it would be nice to also keep in
mind, that those kind of plattforms should be able to integrate with d!sco
too, at least on a very basic level :-)

...that would immediately give a lot of input to everything that tries to
use d!sco :-)

https://disqus.com/



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