Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] What next? The way forward according to Henri Nathanson

[Henri Nathanson <henri.nathanson AT gmail.com>]

Hi Mike.
As I just said to Paul I should fastly leave this list. I dont know what you mean with participatory democracy. Democracy is already very much about participation. I spent ten years to search an ideal form and understanding of democracy. And I found it. What pretty much renders me as a genius. I am not too good in working with people. But I will succeed to open the BIG door for humanity. That is pretty sure. And as we talk about assuredness. What do you think makes me able to know I found the democracy?
Take care.
Henri

Am 07.07.2014 16:12 schrieb "Michael Allan" <mike AT zelea.com>:

Meantime I assume the answer is 'none'.  You have ideas about a theory
(quotes below), but none (as yet) about how to put it into practice.
http://metagovernment.org/wiki/Overplan/soc/person-22

You're in good company, Henri.  It looks like 'none' will be a common
answer in this little survey.  But that should come as no surprise.
The reason we ask the question is because we don't know the answer.

Mike


Michael Allan said:
> And you, Henri?  Maybe you can answer our question.  By what steps do
> you hope to advance the field of participatory democracy, or otherwise
> achieve an outcome that is beneficial to humanity?


Henri Nathanson (Mud games for kids) said:
https://service.piratenpartei.de/pipermail/ag-meinungsfindungstool/2014-July/002747.html
> You have to understand first, what you can already observe in the
> political arena. Why do representative structures build up? Take a
> pen and paper draw some smilies and get an idea how structures of
> dominance build up.  Democracy is not a consensual system. It is a
> civilized form of war. But besides being stable because of that
> fundation, it is economically optimal.  Democracy is not only given
> naturally. It is free and great ans superb.
>
> Take two of your smilies and draw a circle around them. This first
> group can dominate all others. No proposals needed!! But a program
> on which one of the group acts as a politician and the other as a
> voter. That is all you need to know to understand democracy. Groups
> can cooperate with a coalition program. There is consensus within
> groups and competition between them.


Henri Nathanson (Anybody checked out placeavote.com?) said:
https://service.piratenpartei.de/pipermail/ag-meinungsfindungstool/2014-June/002706.html
> Grab yourself a pen and a paper, put up an amount of smilies
> voluntarily on the paper, draw a line around two of such smilies to
> form a first group, and ask yourself why such group can dominate all
> others? That is decentralized dominance. Unite et impera. Ask
> yourself, what happens, if such group-buildings goes on. What ideal
> structures come up? Work with contracts to get a civilized
> version. And you are fit with democracy.

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