Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] Anybody checked out placeavote.com?

[Michael Allan <mike AT zelea.com>]

Hello Martin and others,

> If you hear social network you think Facebook, if you hear video
> playback you think “VLC” if you hear digital democracy you think
> ...?  let me know. ...

I'd say vote aggregators, aka "vote mirrors".  How would Facebook work
if the users were anonymous and hiding behind pseudonyms?

Answer: It wouldn't.  And digital democracy?

Same answer.  Anonymous voting is a snooze.  That means the votes of
digital democracy (DD) are going to be public; at least the fun ones,
the ones that draw in the users.

But that means anyone can copy the votes from different voting sites,
translate them, and then aggregate them to show the big picture.  The
aggregator would be a useful service because it's the sum of the votes
that matters, not the place at which they're cast.

The upshot is that individual voting sites don't matter enough to
worry about.  There's no need to wait for a viable site to emerge from
the pack and take the lead.  Instead we just wait for the first
aggregator to start scraping from the pack as is, levelling all the
contenders in the process.  That'll be the shape of the future.  All
eyes will shift to the aggregators.  Add a simple "me too" voting
interface to an aggregator, and the voting-only sites are doomed.

Does that make sense?  (I'm keen to start coding the first aggregator,
if anyone else is interested.)

-- 
Michael Allan

Toronto, +1 416-699-9528
http://zelea.com/


Martin Stolze said:
> ​​​Hello Friend,
> Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on the details. I agree that this
> got a bit out of hand on the different mailing list and it’s also my last
> comment.
> 
> As for the “big problems”. I am admittedly quite smug in that I only see
> them as technicalities somebody smarter than I will solve. I tend to favor
> pragmatic approaches.
> I don't want to discourage anybody and I have the utmost respect for
> everybody who is putting time and effort into any of the mentioned projects.
> 
> As far as I understand it placetovote uses a pragmatic approach of
> identifying people via social security details with a bit of private-public
> key encryption probably at a too high expense of anonymity for our emacs
> fraction.
> Delegation, again another technicality. One can probably easily hack around
> it like you can today via postal ballot. It’s just not done more widely
> because elections are just too rare and unspecific.
> 
> They are aiming at the primaries in the US, I don't see why they couldn't
> take some of us on board and branch it off to Europe, Canada, the local
> tennis club, … with different specs.
> 
> My intention was really to find somebody who is hooked on the guys in the
> states. I am under no illusion that they will probably fail and drop it.
> However, I believe they are better in execution. I personally put an
> extreme high premium on execution.
> You'll hate me for it but I do believe that a solution that originates in
> the US has a much higher chance of being recognized, supported and
> accepted, unfortunately nothing trumps the immense concentration of capital
> and talent that is available there.
> I​ ​mean​ ​this​ ​project​ ​is just a sidekick of 59daysofcode.com and I do
> belive buying those kids would be better investmetn then, let's say,
> sending out another round of paper inviations to the GA, damn, our
> pirate-party-micky-mouse-club-membership-cards were probably more expensive
> :)
> - It was more than 590 days ago when I looked into the Liquid Feedback last
> time and I didn't notice a difference since.
> 
> In fact, back in 2012 part of me thought that any pirate politian will just
> abuse his mandate to make it a 4 year coding assignment and disfranchise
> every possible resource to catapult the movement into a semi-operational
> beta status. -Wrong judgment on my end.
> My issue is that I can’t see much traction for anything that is currently
> being developed indigenously. It mesmerizes me that pirates of all people
> actually do such work on a local level that is so clearly something that
> should be developed internationally.
> 
> If you hear social network you think Facebook, if you hear video playback
> you think “VLC” if you hear digital democracy you think ...?
> let me know. I would appreciate a pointer if you come across something that
> has a serious chance.
> 
> Best wishes
> Martin​