Re: [Int-koordination] [pp-eu.coordinators] Online Conference Version of the CEEP - Please (don't) veto!

[Muriel Rovira Esteva <muriel AT pirata.cat>]

Dear all,

I agree with Martina.

Taking into account that:

- We agreed that the ratification process of the Common Program can be
done by the parties by bits and not necessarily as a whole text.
- That the actual Common Program will be the resulting bits that have
survived in January the ratification process in all parties.
- That the Pirate Party of Sweden has expressed repeatedly that it
does not have time for proper ratification and is substituting this by
an approval by their board.

I don't see that it is an insalvable problem that the board of the
Swedish Pirate Party needs a bit longer to approve or disapprove some
part of the text.

However, the intention of the Pirate Party of Germany was to deal with
the whole text, their deadline and possibly last chance to take a
stand before the European Elections is next weekend (the 29th of
November), and Martina expressed her concert that further vetoes
remove sentences of the text changing the meaning, leading to whole
sections removed.

Therefore, I agree with her that, to minimize those changes and try to
keep as much as possible from the program, the veto deadline stays the
same for the rest of the parties (that don't have the problem with the
ratification) and that we assume that the "ratification"/"approval
process" by the Swedish Pirate Party is their board decision on it, so
that they can state somewhat later than the 29th that some bits of the
CP did not make it in their party.

Best regards,

               Muriel



2013/11/28 BJARNEMALM Mattias <mattias.bjarnemalm AT europarl.europa.eu>:
> Dear Martina,
>
>
>
> I am not sure I understand what you are proposing, but I will be happy to
> discuss it with you in Bremen this weekend if you´ll be there?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Mattias
>
>
>
> From: Martina Pöser [mailto:martina.poeser AT bremen.piratenpartei.de]
> Sent: 27 November 2013 20:11
> To: BJARNEMALM Mattias; anton.nordenfur AT piratpartiet.se;
> pp-eu.coordinators AT lists.pp-international.net; EU Election coordination
> group; PP-EU Programme development
> Cc: Internationale Koordination
> Subject: Re: [pp-eu.coordinators] Online Conference Version of the CEEP -
> Please (don't) veto!
>
>
>
> Dear MAB,
>
> as I am ostensibly the only person who has answered your request here, I am
> unsure how to handle it.
>
> But I have had a new idea that might fit PP-SE and all other parties as
> well:
>
> We don't extend the veto period for you, but you may essentially veto
> certain parts of the CEEP, if you cannot agree with them by making a
> decision of the Board until the 6th of January 2014.
>
> We never did specify by which way you need to approve of the CEEP until
> then, so you might approve/disapprove by Board decision as well.
>
> Might that be a possibility for you?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martina
>
>
> Am 22.11.2013 22:04, schrieb Martina Pöser:
>
> Dear MAB,
>
> of course, we want you with us! It would have been easier, if a delegate of
> the Swedish Pirates would have been present in the Online Conference, so we
> could have taken your opinions and requirements directly into account.
>
> The reason for the time limit on the veto is the German GA on the
> 30.11/01.12.2013 where we would have liked to at least be able to vote on
> the finished working group proposal. As it is unsure, if we will be able to
> do so later on at all. We will try, but cannot promise anything.
>
> So I urge you to send us any vetos as soon as you know about them. For any
> vetos later than the 29th of November, I will have to account for in the
> introductory text of our proposal to the GA.
>
> So I (and hopefully the rest of PP-DE) would accept that you would send in
> vetos later than the date set, but I cannot speak for the other parties. But
> hope it would be o.k. for them as well.
>
> But this should not allow all other parties the same leeway, but be an
> exception only for you (and any other parties with good reasons to ask for
> an extension).
>
> After all, any other party may still veto indirectly by not adopting certain
> parts of the CEEP until the 6th of January. But as you cannot vote on it
> anymore at all, you are in a different situation.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martina
>
>
>
> Am 22.11.2013 01:01, schrieb BJARNEMALM Mattias:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The Swedish Pirate party will need at least until the 8th of December for
> our board to look through the proposals and see if we need to veto anything.
>
> I would strongly urge you to adapt the timetable accordingly to make it
> possible for the Swedish Pirate Party to be part of the CEEP.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mab
>
> ________________________________
>
> Från: Martina Pöser [martina.poeser AT bremen.piratenpartei.de]
> Skickat: den 21 november 2013 16:49
> Till: BJARNEMALM Mattias; anton.nordenfur AT piratpartiet.se;
> pp-eu.coordinators AT lists.pp-international.net; EU Election coordination
> group; PP-EU Programme development
> Kopia: Internationale Koordination
> Ämne: Online Conference Version of the CEEP - Please (don't) veto!
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> late last night after three exhausting nights of debates we finally finished
> working our way through all amendment proposals for the Athens version of
> the Common European Election Programme.
>
>
>
> You can find information on the Online Conference and the finalised version
> of the Proposal of a CEEP here:
>
>
>
> http://ppeu.net/wiki/doku.php?id=programme:conferences:ceep_online2013
>
>
>
> We also agreed on the following steps towards a CEEP:
>
>
>
> Milestone 3: until November 29th
>
> The parties will have about a week to veto any part of the programme that is
> still not acceptable to them, and the remaining bits will compose the
> finalized European Common Program proposal to be approved by the parties.
>
>
>
> Please send any vetos to pp-eu.programme AT lists.pp-international.net.
>
>
>
> Milestone 4: until January 6th
>
> Those parts of the CEEP proposal which have been ratified or accepted by all
> Pirate parties voting or deciding on it until then will together build the
> CEEP. So from this point onwards, the text of the CEEP is fixed.
>
>
>
> Milestone 5: until the elections of the European Parliament
>
> Any other EU Pirate Party which hasn't ratified or decided on the provisions
> of the CEEP-Proposal before, may adopt (only) the complete text of the CEEP
> and then become part of the common election effort.
>
>
>
> So please discuss the text inside your Pirate Party and send any vetos you
> might have (hopefully none) to certain sentences or paragraphs in until the
> 29th of November midnight.
>
>
>
> Please remember that this proposal is based on consent and therefore many
> important matters had to be left out. But any party is free to add their own
> national programme topics to supplement their national election programme.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Martina
>
>
>
>
>
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