Re: [Int-koordination] Fwd: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair

[michael john sinclair <mickeyy_sinclair AT yahoo.de>]

His name is directly in the send / answer slot so he got it and PPI was yesterday so it has no priority anymore we are just waiting for some feedback for team players to work together on statements for the Pirate Movement as a hole.

Regards 

Mickey Sinclair.

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 11:16, alios

<markus.barenhoff AT piratenpartei-nrw.de> wrote:

Hi Michael, Hi Patrick!

As I'am not sure if Patrick has subscribed the int-koordination list an as
long as you didn't added him as BCC, your reply might not have reached
Patrick, I'll fwd it here.

greetz
alios

On Friday, 5 April 2019 16:12:45 CEST michael john sinclair wrote:
> On monday there is a PPI board meeting if you can be present i can foward
> your letter for the meeting.Best regards Mickey SinclairTeam Int Koord.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>  On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 15:09, Patrick Breyer<europa AT patrick-breyer.de>
> wrote:  Hallo,
>
> ich habe dem PPI-Vorstand mal was zu seinem Statement geschrieben.
> Vielleicht könnt ihr das gebrauchen/aufgreifen.
>
> Beste Grüße
> Patrick
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair
> Datum: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:02:00 +0000
> Von: Patrick Breyer <europa AT patrick-breyer.de>
> Organisation: Team Patrick Breyer (Piratenpartei)
> An: Guillaume Saouli - PPI <guillaume.saouli AT pp-international.net>,
> vorstand AT piratenpartei.de
>
> Dear Guillaume, dear PPI board members,
>
> I am referring to your statement on the Bordelais affair
> (https://www.piratenpartei.de/2019/03/15/waehlerinformation-betreffend-unser
> e-liste-zur-europawahl-2019/ ) and, being PPDE's lead candidate in the
> upcoming elections to the European Parliament (but not a member of its
> board), I would like to ask you some questions on your text.
>
> First of all I agree with many parts of your statement, including not
> tolerating any downplaying or victim blaming, thanking Julia for her
> great work, pointing out the importance of our movement's credibility
> etc. But other parts of the text don't seem to be fair to me:
>
> 1) Have you studied what the PPDE board (
> https://www.piratenpartei.de/2019/03/15/waehlerinformation-betreffend-unsere
> -liste-zur-europawahl-2019/ ) and I
> (https://www.patrick-breyer.de/?p=575559#en ) have published on the affair?
> It is important to know the facts before making a judgement. Did you
> present your draft statement to PPDE's board beforehand so they could
> comment?
>
> 2) Your statement criticizes PPDE's board for "lack of action and
> oversight" and "apathy, lack of common sense and lack of leadership".
>
> What exactly is the action you believe was lacking, and how would it
> have prevented the terrible outcome of the affair?
> Unless you can say specifically what other course should have been
> taken, it would be better not to voice such criticism.
>
> In hindsight it was certainly a mistake to trust Gilles Bordelais to
> honor his promise to step down. However I don't think this mistake is
> fairly appreciated with words such as "apathy" or "lack of common sense".
>
> 3) The headline of your statement "Sexual harassment cannot be accepted
> in our circles" can be read as suggesting that PPDE is accepting sexual
> harassment in its circles. Do you intend to say that?
> I am sure you are aware that the party has instituted proceedings to
> expel Gilles Bordelais, so I don't think such allegation is fair.
>
> Likewise, your text says: "we have no right to ask for votes when we
> tolerate oppression and unequal power dynamics". In the context, this
> can be read as saying that PPDE tolerates oppression. Is this what you
> intend to express?
>
> 4) You are saying that due to "the apathy, lack of common sense and lack
> of leadership displayed by its board", "the entire movement is now
> paying for this and most likely will for a long time, in addition to the
> actual victims who will live with their experiences forever".
>
> Pointing out the devastating damage done to the movement is fair, but
> the sexual harassment took place before the PPDE board had any
> knowledge. So it is unfair and unacceptable to blame the board for the
> victim's suffering. Certainly the victim is likely to be as appalled as
> PPDE by itss failure to have Bordelais removed from the list of
> candidates, but your statement does not make it clear that this is what
> you mean.
>
> 5) Your statement alleges "that so-called legal obligations were
> prioritized over what was morally right". What do you mean by this? In
> which way were legal obligations prioritized?
>
> 6) You end by presenting your apologies to Julia and her team "for the
> ordeal they have endured", apparently due to the actions of PPDE's
> board. It appears to me that the greatest part of the ordeal they went
> through is due to the actual harassment, the bringing complaints,
> dealing with terminating Bordelais employment etc. None of this can be
> attributed to PPDE. So I don't think it is fair to indirectly attribute
> the "ordeal they have endured" to PPDE's board.
>
>
> I myself am dissatisfied with some decisions the board took (or didn't
> take), and have myself voiced loud criticism at various stages. However
> I insist that we should deal with the affair fairly and seek a common
> approach, rather than begin blaming one another publicly. If you are
> prepared to answer my questions I am confident PPDE's board should be
> happy to issue a joint statement with PPI to replace your post, and
> accept that part of responsibility that can fairly be attributed to
> them. In PPDE's post I mentioned above they already express regretting
> the failure of having Bordelais removed from the list, and having
> trusted him to honor his promise to step down.
>
> Best regards
> Patrick





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