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- From: michael john sinclair <mickeyy_sinclair AT yahoo.de>
- To: "int-koordination AT lists.piratenpartei.de" <int-koordination AT lists.piratenpartei.de>
- Subject: Re: [Int-koordination] Fwd: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair
- Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 14:12:45 +0000 (UTC)
On monday there is a PPI board meeting if you can be present i can foward your letter for the meeting.
Best regards
Mickey Sinclair
Team Int Koord.
On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 at 15:09, Patrick Breyer<europa AT patrick-breyer.de> wrote:Hallo,ich habe dem PPI-Vorstand mal was zu seinem Statement geschrieben.Vielleicht könnt ihr das gebrauchen/aufgreifen.Beste GrüßePatrick-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------Betreff: PPI statement on the Bordelais affairDatum: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:02:00 +0000Von: Patrick Breyer <europa AT patrick-breyer.de>Organisation: Team Patrick Breyer (Piratenpartei)An: Guillaume Saouli - PPI <guillaume.saouli AT pp-international.net>,Dear Guillaume, dear PPI board members,I am referring to your statement on the Bordelais affair) and, being PPDE's lead candidate in the upcoming elections to theEuropean Parliament (but not a member of its board), I would like to askyou some questions on your text.First of all I agree with many parts of your statement, including nottolerating any downplaying or victim blaming, thanking Julia for hergreat work, pointing out the importance of our movement's credibilityetc. But other parts of the text don't seem to be fair to me:1) Have you studied what the PPDE board () and I (https://www.patrick-breyer.de/?p=575559#en ) have published onthe affair? It is important to know the facts before making a judgement.Did you present your draft statement to PPDE's board beforehand so theycould comment?2) Your statement criticizes PPDE's board for "lack of action andoversight" and "apathy, lack of common sense and lack of leadership".What exactly is the action you believe was lacking, and how would ithave prevented the terrible outcome of the affair?Unless you can say specifically what other course should have beentaken, it would be better not to voice such criticism.In hindsight it was certainly a mistake to trust Gilles Bordelais tohonor his promise to step down. However I don't think this mistake isfairly appreciated with words such as "apathy" or "lack of common sense".3) The headline of your statement "Sexual harassment cannot be acceptedin our circles" can be read as suggesting that PPDE is accepting sexualharassment in its circles. Do you intend to say that?I am sure you are aware that the party has instituted proceedings toexpel Gilles Bordelais, so I don't think such allegation is fair.Likewise, your text says: "we have no right to ask for votes when wetolerate oppression and unequal power dynamics". In the context, thiscan be read as saying that PPDE tolerates oppression. Is this what youintend to express?4) You are saying that due to "the apathy, lack of common sense and lackof leadership displayed by its board", "the entire movement is nowpaying for this and most likely will for a long time, in addition to theactual victims who will live with their experiences forever".Pointing out the devastating damage done to the movement is fair, butthe sexual harassment took place before the PPDE board had anyknowledge. So it is unfair and unacceptable to blame the board for thevictim's suffering. Certainly the victim is likely to be as appalled asPPDE by itss failure to have Bordelais removed from the list ofcandidates, but your statement does not make it clear that this is whatyou mean.5) Your statement alleges "that so-called legal obligations wereprioritized over what was morally right". What do you mean by this? Inwhich way were legal obligations prioritized?6) You end by presenting your apologies to Julia and her team "for theordeal they have endured", apparently due to the actions of PPDE'sboard. It appears to me that the greatest part of the ordeal they wentthrough is due to the actual harassment, the bringing complaints,dealing with terminating Bordelais employment etc. None of this can beattributed to PPDE. So I don't think it is fair to indirectly attributethe "ordeal they have endured" to PPDE's board.I myself am dissatisfied with some decisions the board took (or didn'ttake), and have myself voiced loud criticism at various stages. HoweverI insist that we should deal with the affair fairly and seek a commonapproach, rather than begin blaming one another publicly. If you areprepared to answer my questions I am confident PPDE's board should behappy to issue a joint statement with PPI to replace your post, andaccept that part of responsibility that can fairly be attributed tothem. In PPDE's post I mentioned above they already express regrettingthe failure of having Bordelais removed from the list, and havingtrusted him to honor his promise to step down.Best regardsPatrick--int-koordination mailinglistThe list homepage: https://lists.piratenpartei.de/sympa/info/int-koordination
- [Int-koordination] Fwd: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair, Patrick Breyer, 05.04.2019
- Re: [Int-koordination] Fwd: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair, michael john sinclair, 05.04.2019
- Re: [Int-koordination] Fwd: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair, alios, 09.04.2019
- Re: [Int-koordination] Fwd: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair, michael john sinclair, 09.04.2019
- Re: [Int-koordination] Fwd: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair, alios, 09.04.2019
- Re: [Int-koordination] Fwd: PPI statement on the Bordelais affair, michael john sinclair, 05.04.2019
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