Re: [Int-koordination] [PP-EU.programme] Common European Election Programme

[Muriel <muriel.pirata AT gmail.com>]

Hello all,

A summary of the whole thing as I understood it, just to make sure
that we all have it in mind.  :)

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COMMON PROGRAMME

* On the 17th of November there will be an official "online
conference" to discuss the amendments that might have been proposed
during this time.
* After this Mumble conference there will be a couple of weeks for the
parties to veto unacceptable bits.
* After the 1st of December we will start the ratification process.
* When the ratification processes is finish we will build the Common
Programme from the bits that have been ratified by all parties.
* We will issue a press release announcing the Common Programme.
* The parties will be free to use the Common Programme as it better
suits their needs for the elections (as a stand alone text or
including parts of it in their own programmes), but there should
always be a clear reference directing to the whole text where people
can see all the common points.

We realized that we need to agree on a date for the press release and
then set a deadline for the ratification so that we can collect the
results and construct the final version of the Common Programme in
time. The deadline suggested for the ratification process was around
February (or beginning of March), and for the press release maybe on
the same dates of the Founding (22nd of March?) if we want to have a
large number of parties present, or something like two weeks earlier
if presence is not needed and we want the press to talk about us on
different consecutive days. The optimal dates could be discussed and
decided upon on the Mumble conference of the 17th, once we're finished
with the amendments.

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ONION PROGRAMME

Since we aimed for a consensus for the Common Programme, we left many
things out. However, there's a vast majority of parties that agree on
some of the proposals that were not included.

Our idea is to detect such proposals and agree on the text as well, so
that we have a compilation of "widely agreed proposals" that the
interested parties can also include in their programmes if they want.
These of course would not be part of the Common Programme, and would
in principle not be mentioned in the press release. But it will be
useful to parties that could benefit from presenting a wider support
other than themselves to certain hot topics of interest.

For convenience, the bits that were not included in the Common
Programme and are potential proposals for the Onion one were collected
during the conference in this pad:
https://eu.piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/Athens-no-consensus-bits/uNztmVMW8q


1) The delegates of the interested parties should note in the pad
their party name (before Wednesday the 6th) labeling the bits with
which they might agree, the ones they don't, and the bits that would
need some kind of change or amendment. This should be no extra work
because the parties have had to look through the proposals already.

2) This Wednesday, 6th of November, at 20.00 h CET, there will be a
Mumble meeting to discuss the proposals with more support and prepare
a draft of the proposals for this extended Onion Programme (if
necessary, we would meet again on Thursday at the same time to finish
any remaining bits).

3) Following a parallel process to the proposals of the Common
Programme, the parties will have time to submit amendments until
around the same date as the CP and they will be also discussed on a
Mumble meeting. It can be done in the same Mumble meeting after we're
finished with the CP amendments, or on another date.

4) For the sake of simplicity, the same ratification process can take
place in parallel for these proposals. This way, interested parties
can just put all the proposals to vote simultaneously. Proposals
ratified by all parties would  then make it to the Common Programme,
and those ratified by a significant number of them to the Onion
Programme.


Best regards,

             Muriel



2013/11/3 Martina Pöser <m.poeser AT web.de>:
> Dear all,
>
> the Conference in Athens is over and we bring you a Draft for a Common
> European Election Programme:
>
> http://ppeu.net/wiki/doku.php?id=programme:conferences:athens2013:consolidated_programme
>
> Please take a look at it and hand in any proposals for a change or addition
> to it until the 17th of November to me and to this mailing list. Then there
> will be a mumble conference where we will decide upon any changes. The exact
> date and time of the mumble conference is as of yet still unknown, but will
> be announced in time.
>
> If you like to take a further look of what we've been doing for and in
> Athens, please take a look at the wiki page, where you can also find the
> protocol and the pad collecting the results with annotations:
>
> http://ppeu.net/wiki/doku.php?id=programme:conferences:athens2013
>
> I can only say that I am very happy with the outcome of the conference and
> hope you will be, too, even if perhaps some of your favourite topics haven't
> been adopted. The adoption process was based on consent and not on majority
> decisions, so one party opposing a position was enough to kick a topic out.
> If you think about it, it is really fantastic that there is still so much
> left that we all have in common! :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martina
>
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2013/11/3 Martina Pöser <m.poeser AT web.de>:
> Dear all,
>
> the Conference in Athens is over and we bring you a Draft for a Common
> European Election Programme:
>
> http://ppeu.net/wiki/doku.php?id=programme:conferences:athens2013:consolidated_programme
>
> Please take a look at it and hand in any proposals for a change or addition
> to it until the 17th of November to me and to this mailing list. Then there
> will be a mumble conference where we will decide upon any changes. The exact
> date and time of the mumble conference is as of yet still unknown, but will
> be announced in time.
>
> If you like to take a further look of what we've been doing for and in
> Athens, please take a look at the wiki page, where you can also find the
> protocol and the pad collecting the results with annotations:
>
> http://ppeu.net/wiki/doku.php?id=programme:conferences:athens2013
>
> I can only say that I am very happy with the outcome of the conference and
> hope you will be, too, even if perhaps some of your favourite topics haven't
> been adopted. The adoption process was based on consent and not on majority
> decisions, so one party opposing a position was enough to kick a topic out.
> If you think about it, it is really fantastic that there is still so much
> left that we all have in common! :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Martina
>
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