Re: [Int-koordination] Discussion: [international] Re: Invitation to organize the very first international Pirate Party Politics conference

[Paul <paul AT pirateparty.be>]

Hi Martina

just ask me, we are organising it with pp be & pp nl

http://piratepad.be/p/PiratePartyPolitics_conference

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Martina Pöser <martina.poeser AT bremen.piratenpartei.de> wrote:

Hi Henk,

if the date is now fixed on the 14th/15th of December I'd like to register. But where do I do it? I couldn't find a place in the pad or a link to a place for registration.

And do you also offer accomodation? Or have any recommendations there?

I could also offer a presentation of an idea of mine which is a concept for a liquid representative democracy and could work as an introduction on democracy concepts. I'd really like to run my idea with a wider audience and discuss and improve or finally reject it.

If you are interested, I could prepare something more to give you an idea of what I've been thinking about.

Best regards,

Martina



Am 01.11.2013 17:01, schrieb quisqo:

     Hi all,

     Thank you very much for your enthusiasm, it is very inspiring for making
     this work.

     We want to make the date for the conference permanent. I would like to
     ask everybody to let us know if you can come at the 14th and the 15th,
     you can register here:
     http://piratepad.be/p/PiratePartyPolitics_conference.

     We got room for 60 persons at the Landhuis, so the space is limited.
     There is a possibility to change to a bigger location but not on a short
     notice so please register as fast as you know you can be there.

     The pad is also the place where you can contribute to the program of the
     conference. We hope to have the program, speakers and other contributors
     to the conference, finalized two weeks before the conference, we want to
     keep parts of the program open for things which come into mind last
     minute.

     Also you can sign up as a volunteer to help organising the fist
     International Pirate Party Politics Conference.

     I agree with the proportions as suggested by Thomas, 20/80, which would
     mean 6 external speakers.

     @Justus, offcourse you stay connected, the more the merrier.

     Hope to see you the 14th and 15th in Maastricht.

     Greetings,
     Henk


Justus Römeth schreef op 1-11-2013 10:58:

Hi Thomas

I hope it's okay if I stay connected to this as well, even though I am
not from NRW. As a Dutch speaker and resident of Lower Saxony (which
borders on the NL too) I try to stay involved in Dutch-German Pirate
relations, and from a German POV Maastricht still is within easy driving
distance from Hanover.

kind regards
-J


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Thomas Goorden - Piratenpartij
<thomas AT pirateparty.be <mailto:thomas AT pirateparty.be>> wrote:

     Hello everyone,

     First of all, thanks to the Dutch Pirates for helping settle the
     location and dates. I apologize that October didn't work out, by the
     time we had a confirmation I was being run over with a new work
     project and a new office space to move to.

     December 14-15 sounds very good to me. Does this work for Luxemburg
     as well?

     Since the initiative/idea originally came from a few Pirate Party
     Politics days we've experimented with in Belgium, I would be glad to
     pitch in some of the original framework ideas and things we
     discovered doing it ourselves:

       * "Strictly Pirate Politics". One of the reasons we've started to
         organize this, was an abundance of side-tracks in the regular
         operation of the PPBE. It is easy to get stuck in internal
         regulations or various ideas that are difficult to merge with
         the political program of the PP. Of course all of that is
         necessary and interesting too, it just proved to be too
         distracting at times. So, a PPP could/should/would be strictly
         about political ideas and topics. This can be everything from a
         historical perspective to innovative political ideas to ... By
         contrast, things we tried to avoid were: PR/marketing/slogans,
         anything regarding internal regulations, political "strategy"
         stuff, etc. With most people that are interested in doing a talk
         or speech, it is easy to find a topic that is political that
         they would be willing to talk about. In this sense, talking
         about 3D printing in general isn't political in itself, but this
         speech <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg> definitely
         is (and it mentions 3D printing).
       * "No pressure". Having to explain and discuss political ideas is
         already very challenging for most of us. To make this easier, we
         made sure there was no expected outcome and we kept the invitees
         to people that could be trusted to keep the atmosphere calm
         enough for a decent, intelligent conversation. There must be a
         lot of room for failure and/or experiment, Pirate Politics is
         often about thinking outside of the box.
       * "20/80 time". 20% presentations/talks/speeches, 80% discussions
         and breaks. In-depth conversations tire people out and two days
         is long in that regard. Keeping a low pace in the number of
         topics helps a lot with that. Of course, having a lot of room
         for discussion also doesn't make anyone feel like the people
         giving the speeches/talks are taking over the weekend. In all
         practicality, this would mean a maximum of 4 or 5 "topic cycles"
         per day, if you allow about 1 hour per topic
         (speech+discussion). Of course, with 60 people it would be
         advisable to split the group into at least 3 sub-groups. This
         would allow for 12 "topic cycles" per day.
       * "20/80 speakers". 20% external speakers (people that don't
         self-identify as Pirate), 80% Pirates. The idea here is that a
         few external speakers (and possibly a few "famous" Pirates) help
         to raise the quality level/expectation of the  weekend. On the
         other hand, the goal is to allow Pirates to practice their
         political speech, so it's important to actually allow for a lot
         of that.
       * "Invite". Both for speakers and attendees, it is very important
         that you personally invite people that you /want/ to be there.
         This will make them feel honored and increase the overall
         quality of the event.

     I am a bit scared to see that the idea has now expanded to include
     the entire PPEU. I'm not so sure this is wise, as it will put a lot
     more pressure and difficulty towards the organisation than is
     strictly necessary. Of course, every Pirate is welcome, but the
     focus has been Benelux+North Rhine-Westphalia (essentially anybody
     within "easy" driving distance).

     Anyway. On a practical level we could get started if we take
     December 14-15 as final. The most sensible thing would seem to:

      1. Set up a registration page. Pirates may indicate their interest
         in participating there and I would ask them their PP affiliation
         (country or region), political topics that interest them,
         privacy preferences and potential "talks" they would be willing
         to give. (If there is an overwhelming interest, we may need to
         curate the participants a bit, to make sure there is a good
         balance in origin, etc.) I'd be happy to set something like that
         up in the coming week.
      2. Ask for/assign "volunteer curators" that could help us find the
         most interesting guest speakers. I'm estimating (based on 60
         participants splits 3 groups, 2 days and the 20/80 "rules") that
         an /absolute maximum/ of 6 external speakers is required to have
         a wonderful weekend. That would make it about 1 per
         participating country.

     I'm sooo happy that this is still happening!

     Cheers,
     Thomas Goorden, PPBe


     On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, ncr.hoekstra
     <ncr.hoekstra AT gmail.com <mailto:ncr.hoekstra AT gmail.com>> wrote:

         Hello,

         The 14/15 december indeed looks like a better date, it's a shame
         to settle for a double date for the germans. I made the
         reservation at the same place (again, provisionally). Can we all
         agree?

         Martina, there are already some directions mentioned in the pad
         as for themes. I think it's a good idea to invite several
         speakers and/or create workshops, perhaps it 's smart to
         elaborate on the themes only after we invited the speakers and
         are sure of their presence. Is there anybody with ideas on this?

         We recently had a crypto-party at the same place, with a dutch
         privacy activist. I'm actually not sure if this kind of workshop
         is useful for pirates (most of us might already have the skills)
         but if there is animo, i would be happy to set it up.
         I might be able to arrange a speaker about quantummechanics
         (allthough it's not directly a pp theme, it might be an
         interesting mindbend for new ideas) and 3d printing (in its
         widest sense, e.g. the political/ commercial implications).

         If you are interested, please let me know, i will try to get it
         arranged. And/or: are there other ideas about speakers and
         workshops?

         greetings,

         nine




         2013/10/29 Martina Pöser <martina.poeser@bremen.piratenpartei.de
         <mailto:martina.poeser@bremen.piratenpartei.de>>

             __

             Hi there,

             
             I also want to thank you for organising an
             international conference in Maastricht. As Justus already
             wrote, the German GA at that week-end would make it
             impossible for me to come, so I would prefer it, if you
             could settle on a different date.

             
             As we German Pirates also need to finish the program for the
             EU election 2014 until the start of December, I'd suggest
             that we'd rather work on how to work together to bring
             our Common Programme into existence and into the hearts and
             minds of the European people. We could build up European
             action and work groups on European topics like PRISM and
             TEMPORA, share contact details and information about
             campaigning Pirates and work on common campaigns.

             
             But we could also have workshops and lectures on Pirate
             politics, deeping our common political understanding.

             
             Is there already a general plan about the topics of the
             Conference?

             
             If you cannot or would not change the date, I hereby suggest
             to find a time and place for an additional conference,
             perhaps sometime in January, to work on the issues I
             mentioned above.

             
             I would be very glad, if the Dutch Pirates would join us
             there, too.

             
             Best regards,

             
             Martina
             
                 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
                 *Von:* Koen De Voegt <koen.devoegt@antwerpsepiraten.be
                 <mailto:koen.devoegt@antwerpsepiraten.be>>
                 *Gesendet:* Di 29.10.2013 10:37
                 *Betreff:* [PP-EU.programme] Discussion: [international]
                 Re: Invitation to organize the very first international
                 Pirate Party Politics conference
                 *Anlage:* inline.txt
                 *An:* quisqo <henk.heslinga@piratenpartij.nl
                 <mailto:henk.heslinga@piratenpartij.nl>>; International
                 squad <international AT parley.be
                 <mailto:international@parley.be>>;
                 *CC:* PP-EU Programme development
                 <pp-eu.programme AT lists.pp-international.net
                 <mailto:pp-eu.programme@lists.pp-international.net>>;
                 nienke hoekstra <qualia AT piratenpartij.nl
                 <mailto:qualia@piratenpartij.nl>>; jeremy scheppers
                 <schepper AT gmail.com <mailto:schepper AT gmail.com>>; oscar
                 vermeulen <oscarvermeulen AT gmail.com
                 <mailto:oscarvermeulen@gmail.com>>;
                 kees.hendrikse@piratenpartij.nl
                 <mailto:kees.hendrikse@piratenpartij.nl>; Thomas Goorden
                 - Piratenpartij <thomas AT pirateparty.be
                 <mailto:thomas AT pirateparty.be>>; Dirk Poot
                 <dirkpoot AT prefectionist.is
                 <mailto:dirkpoot@prefectionist.is>>;
                 philipp.schiwek AT landtag.nrw.de
                 <mailto:philipp.schiwek@landtag.nrw.de>; sarah van
                 liefferinge <sarah.van.liefferinge@hotmail.com
                 <mailto:sarah.van.liefferinge@hotmail.com>>; Paul Bossu
                 <paul AT pirateparty.be <mailto:paul AT pirateparty.be>>;
                 Lionel Dricot <ploum AT ploum.net
                 <mailto:ploum AT ploum.net>>; Nicolaus Kern
                 <nkern AT piratenfraktion-nrw.de
                 <mailto:nkern@piratenfraktion-nrw.de>>; Tom Odebrecht
                 <todebrecht@piratenfraktion-nrw.de
                 <mailto:todebrecht@piratenfraktion-nrw.de>>;
                 For those who are on the international or pp-eu-program
                 mailing list please read the original message below
                 first for reference.
                 
                 Hello all,

                                   I would like to thank PPNL to start this initiative.
                 International cooperation is very important for the
                 Pirate movement and any initiative to support this is
                 just awesome! So it's great to see PPNL become active
                 again in this area. This weekend there is the PPEU
                 program group meeting in Athens. I doubt if all work to
                 towards a joined EU program will be done after this
                 conference. I would like to propose to continue the work
                 on the proposed conference in the Netherlands. Setting
                 the date for the Maastricht conference would maybe be
                 better a little later than in the proposal. Maybe 14/15
                 dec. This would allow enough time between the two events
                 to prepare the later. And it would be darn right cool
                 that the Pirates would have their own Maastricht treaty
                 on how the EU should work.

                                   Regards,
                 Koen De Voegt
                 

                 2013/10/28 quisqo <henk.heslinga@piratenpartij.nl
                 <mailto:henk.heslinga@piratenpartij.nl>>

                     hello everyone,

                      We'd like to propose a new date to meet up with a
                     group of
                     international Pirate-party members in Maastricht.
                     The idea for the
                     last meet, to help spark debate around political
                     matters, we think
                     should remain unchanged. An agenda for the weekend
                     and organisational
                     specifications can be elaborated on in the working
                     document for the
                     cancelled meet:
                     http://piratepad.be/p/PiratePartyPolitics_conference

                     For now we made a (provisional) reservation at 'the
                     Landhuis', an open
                     community squad in Maastricht that that can hold up
                     to around 60
                     people. We reserved the place for saturday the 30th
                     of november and
                     sunday the first of december. We can either use one
                     or both days. We
                     added a date-choice at the top of the pad, either
                     that and/or this
                     mailing (reply all) might be used to see which date
                     is preferred by
                     everyone. As for NL, either day or both days are
                     alright with us.

                     We'd like to propose that all of us send out
                     invitations through all
                     used communications channels. In that way, everybody
                     who might like to
                     join, has the opportunity to reserve a place. In
                     that way, we have the
                     best guarantee that the meet remains open.

                     For information about the location:
                     http://hetlandhuis.org/wordpress/172-2/  (the site
                     is in dutch)

                     please email us if you have any questions, comments,
                     requests:
                     henk.heslinga AT piratenpartij.nl
                     <mailto:henk.heslinga@piratenpartij.nl> or
                     qualia AT piratenpartij.nl
                     <mailto:qualia@piratenpartij.nl> (Nienke Hoekstra)

                     We hope to be looking forward to an open,
                     experimental and succesful meet,

                      Henk Heslinga  (general organisation for NL)
                      Nienke Hoekstra (local facilitation Maastricht;
                     location, meals,
                     sleepover, etc.)





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