Re: [Int-koordination] [PP-EU.programme] Discussion: [international] Re: Invitation to organize the very first international Pirate Party Politics conference

[Martina Pöser <martina.poeser AT bremen.piratenpartei.de>]

Hi Henk,

if the date is now fixed on the 14th/15th of December I'd like to 
register. But where do I do it? I couldn't find a place in the pad or a 
link to a place for registration.

And do you also offer accomodation? Or have any recommendations there?

I could also offer a presentation of an idea of mine which is a concept 
for a liquid representative democracy and could work as an introduction 
on democracy concepts. I'd really like to run my idea with a wider 
audience and discuss and improve or finally reject it.

If you are interested, I could prepare something more to give you an 
idea of what I've been thinking about.

Best regards,

Martina



Am 01.11.2013 17:01, schrieb quisqo:
>      Hi all,
>
>      Thank you very much for your enthusiasm, it is very inspiring for making
>      this work.
>
>      We want to make the date for the conference permanent. I would like to
>      ask everybody to let us know if you can come at the 14th and the 15th,
>      you can register here:
>      http://piratepad.be/p/PiratePartyPolitics_conference.
>
>      We got room for 60 persons at the Landhuis, so the space is limited.
>      There is a possibility to change to a bigger location but not on a short
>      notice so please register as fast as you know you can be there.
>
>      The pad is also the place where you can contribute to the program of the
>      conference. We hope to have the program, speakers and other contributors
>      to the conference, finalized two weeks before the conference, we want to
>      keep parts of the program open for things which come into mind last
>      minute.
>
>      Also you can sign up as a volunteer to help organising the fist
>      International Pirate Party Politics Conference.
>
>      I agree with the proportions as suggested by Thomas, 20/80, which would
>      mean 6 external speakers.
>
>      @Justus, offcourse you stay connected, the more the merrier.
>
>      Hope to see you the 14th and 15th in Maastricht.
>
>      Greetings,
>      Henk
>
>
> Justus Römeth schreef op 1-11-2013 10:58:
> > Hi Thomas
> >
> > I hope it's okay if I stay connected to this as well, even though I am
> > not from NRW. As a Dutch speaker and resident of Lower Saxony (which
> > borders on the NL too) I try to stay involved in Dutch-German Pirate
> > relations, and from a German POV Maastricht still is within easy driving
> > distance from Hanover.
> >
> > kind regards
> > -J
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Thomas Goorden - Piratenpartij
> > <thomas AT pirateparty.be <mailto:thomas AT pirateparty.be>> wrote:
> >
> >      Hello everyone,
> >
> >      First of all, thanks to the Dutch Pirates for helping settle the
> >      location and dates. I apologize that October didn't work out, by the
> >      time we had a confirmation I was being run over with a new work
> >      project and a new office space to move to.
> >
> >      December 14-15 sounds very good to me. Does this work for Luxemburg
> >      as well?
> >
> >      Since the initiative/idea originally came from a few Pirate Party
> >      Politics days we've experimented with in Belgium, I would be glad to
> >      pitch in some of the original framework ideas and things we
> >      discovered doing it ourselves:
> >
> >        * "Strictly Pirate Politics". One of the reasons we've started to
> >          organize this, was an abundance of side-tracks in the regular
> >          operation of the PPBE. It is easy to get stuck in internal
> >          regulations or various ideas that are difficult to merge with
> >          the political program of the PP. Of course all of that is
> >          necessary and interesting too, it just proved to be too
> >          distracting at times. So, a PPP could/should/would be strictly
> >          about political ideas and topics. This can be everything from a
> >          historical perspective to innovative political ideas to ... By
> >          contrast, things we tried to avoid were: PR/marketing/slogans,
> >          anything regarding internal regulations, political "strategy"
> >          stuff, etc. With most people that are interested in doing a talk
> >          or speech, it is easy to find a topic that is political that
> >          they would be willing to talk about. In this sense, talking
> >          about 3D printing in general isn't political in itself, but this
> >          speech <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg> definitely
> >          is (and it mentions 3D printing).
> >        * "No pressure". Having to explain and discuss political ideas is
> >          already very challenging for most of us. To make this easier, we
> >          made sure there was no expected outcome and we kept the invitees
> >          to people that could be trusted to keep the atmosphere calm
> >          enough for a decent, intelligent conversation. There must be a
> >          lot of room for failure and/or experiment, Pirate Politics is
> >          often about thinking outside of the box.
> >        * "20/80 time". 20% presentations/talks/speeches, 80% discussions
> >          and breaks. In-depth conversations tire people out and two days
> >          is long in that regard. Keeping a low pace in the number of
> >          topics helps a lot with that. Of course, having a lot of room
> >          for discussion also doesn't make anyone feel like the people
> >          giving the speeches/talks are taking over the weekend. In all
> >          practicality, this would mean a maximum of 4 or 5 "topic cycles"
> >          per day, if you allow about 1 hour per topic
> >          (speech+discussion). Of course, with 60 people it would be
> >          advisable to split the group into at least 3 sub-groups. This
> >          would allow for 12 "topic cycles" per day.
> >        * "20/80 speakers". 20% external speakers (people that don't
> >          self-identify as Pirate), 80% Pirates. The idea here is that a
> >          few external speakers (and possibly a few "famous" Pirates) help
> >          to raise the quality level/expectation of the  weekend. On the
> >          other hand, the goal is to allow Pirates to practice their
> >          political speech, so it's important to actually allow for a lot
> >          of that.
> >        * "Invite". Both for speakers and attendees, it is very important
> >          that you personally invite people that you /want/ to be there.
> >          This will make them feel honored and increase the overall
> >          quality of the event.
> >
> >      I am a bit scared to see that the idea has now expanded to include
> >      the entire PPEU. I'm not so sure this is wise, as it will put a lot
> >      more pressure and difficulty towards the organisation than is
> >      strictly necessary. Of course, every Pirate is welcome, but the
> >      focus has been Benelux+North Rhine-Westphalia (essentially anybody
> >      within "easy" driving distance).
> >
> >      Anyway. On a practical level we could get started if we take
> >      December 14-15 as final. The most sensible thing would seem to:
> >
> >       1. Set up a registration page. Pirates may indicate their interest
> >          in participating there and I would ask them their PP affiliation
> >          (country or region), political topics that interest them,
> >          privacy preferences and potential "talks" they would be willing
> >          to give. (If there is an overwhelming interest, we may need to
> >          curate the participants a bit, to make sure there is a good
> >          balance in origin, etc.) I'd be happy to set something like that
> >          up in the coming week.
> >       2. Ask for/assign "volunteer curators" that could help us find the
> >          most interesting guest speakers. I'm estimating (based on 60
> >          participants splits 3 groups, 2 days and the 20/80 "rules") that
> >          an /absolute maximum/ of 6 external speakers is required to have
> >          a wonderful weekend. That would make it about 1 per
> >          participating country.
> >
> >      I'm sooo happy that this is still happening!
> >
> >      Cheers,
> >      Thomas Goorden, PPBe
> >
> >
> >      On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, ncr.hoekstra
> >      <ncr.hoekstra AT gmail.com <mailto:ncr.hoekstra AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >          Hello,
> >
> >          The 14/15 december indeed looks like a better date, it's a shame
> >          to settle for a double date for the germans. I made the
> >          reservation at the same place (again, provisionally). Can we all
> >          agree?
> >
> >          Martina, there are already some directions mentioned in the pad
> >          as for themes. I think it's a good idea to invite several
> >          speakers and/or create workshops, perhaps it 's smart to
> >          elaborate on the themes only after we invited the speakers and
> >          are sure of their presence. Is there anybody with ideas on this?
> >
> >          We recently had a crypto-party at the same place, with a dutch
> >          privacy activist. I'm actually not sure if this kind of workshop
> >          is useful for pirates (most of us might already have the skills)
> >          but if there is animo, i would be happy to set it up.
> >          I might be able to arrange a speaker about quantummechanics
> >          (allthough it's not directly a pp theme, it might be an
> >          interesting mindbend for new ideas) and 3d printing (in its
> >          widest sense, e.g. the political/ commercial implications).
> >
> >          If you are interested, please let me know, i will try to get it
> >          arranged. And/or: are there other ideas about speakers and
> >          workshops?
> >
> >          greetings,
> >
> >          nine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >          2013/10/29 Martina Pöser <martina.poeser AT bremen.piratenpartei.de
> >          <mailto:martina.poeser AT bremen.piratenpartei.de>>
> >
> >              __
> >
> >              Hi there,
> >
> >               
> >
> >              I also want to thank you for organising an
> >              international conference in Maastricht. As Justus already
> >              wrote, the German GA at that week-end would make it
> >              impossible for me to come, so I would prefer it, if you
> >              could settle on a different date.
> >
> >               
> >
> >              As we German Pirates also need to finish the program for the
> >              EU election 2014 until the start of December, I'd suggest
> >              that we'd rather work on how to work together to bring
> >              our Common Programme into existence and into the hearts and
> >              minds of the European people. We could build up European
> >              action and work groups on European topics like PRISM and
> >              TEMPORA, share contact details and information about
> >              campaigning Pirates and work on common campaigns.
> >
> >               
> >
> >              But we could also have workshops and lectures on Pirate
> >              politics, deeping our common political understanding.
> >
> >               
> >
> >              Is there already a general plan about the topics of the
> >              Conference?
> >
> >               
> >
> >              If you cannot or would not change the date, I hereby suggest
> >              to find a time and place for an additional conference,
> >              perhaps sometime in January, to work on the issues I
> >              mentioned above.
> >
> >               
> >
> >              I would be very glad, if the Dutch Pirates would join us
> >              there, too.
> >
> >               
> >
> >              Best regards,
> >
> >               
> >
> >              Martina
> >               
> >
> >                  -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >                  *Von:* Koen De Voegt <koen.devoegt AT antwerpsepiraten.be
> >                  <mailto:koen.devoegt AT antwerpsepiraten.be>>
> >                  *Gesendet:* Di 29.10.2013 10:37
> >                  *Betreff:* [PP-EU.programme] Discussion: [international]
> >                  Re: Invitation to organize the very first international
> >                  Pirate Party Politics conference
> >                  *Anlage:* inline.txt
> >                  *An:* quisqo <henk.heslinga AT piratenpartij.nl
> >                  <mailto:henk.heslinga AT piratenpartij.nl>>; International
> >                  squad <international AT parley.be
> >                  <mailto:international AT parley.be>>;
> >                  *CC:* PP-EU Programme development
> >                  <pp-eu.programme AT lists.pp-international.net
> >                  <mailto:pp-eu.programme AT lists.pp-international.net>>;
> >                  nienke hoekstra <qualia AT piratenpartij.nl
> >                  <mailto:qualia AT piratenpartij.nl>>; jeremy scheppers
> >                  <schepper AT gmail.com <mailto:schepper AT gmail.com>>; oscar
> >                  vermeulen <oscarvermeulen AT gmail.com
> >                  <mailto:oscarvermeulen AT gmail.com>>;
> >                  kees.hendrikse AT piratenpartij.nl
> >                  <mailto:kees.hendrikse AT piratenpartij.nl>; Thomas Goorden
> >                  - Piratenpartij <thomas AT pirateparty.be
> >                  <mailto:thomas AT pirateparty.be>>; Dirk Poot
> >                  <dirkpoot AT prefectionist.is
> >                  <mailto:dirkpoot AT prefectionist.is>>;
> >                  philipp.schiwek AT landtag.nrw.de
> >                  <mailto:philipp.schiwek AT landtag.nrw.de>; sarah van
> >                  liefferinge <sarah.van.liefferinge AT hotmail.com
> >                  <mailto:sarah.van.liefferinge AT hotmail.com>>; Paul Bossu
> >                  <paul AT pirateparty.be <mailto:paul AT pirateparty.be>>;
> >                  Lionel Dricot <ploum AT ploum.net
> >                  <mailto:ploum AT ploum.net>>; Nicolaus Kern
> >                  <nkern AT piratenfraktion-nrw.de
> >                  <mailto:nkern AT piratenfraktion-nrw.de>>; Tom Odebrecht
> >                  <todebrecht AT piratenfraktion-nrw.de
> >                  <mailto:todebrecht AT piratenfraktion-nrw.de>>;
> >                  For those who are on the international or pp-eu-program
> >                  mailing list please read the original message below
> >                  first for reference.
> >                   
> >
> >                  Hello all,
> >
> >                   
> >                  I would like to thank PPNL to start this initiative.
> >                  International cooperation is very important for the
> >                  Pirate movement and any initiative to support this is
> >                  just awesome! So it's great to see PPNL become active
> >                  again in this area. This weekend there is the PPEU
> >                  program group meeting in Athens. I doubt if all work to
> >                  towards a joined EU program will be done after this
> >                  conference. I would like to propose to continue the work
> >                  on the proposed conference in the Netherlands. Setting
> >                  the date for the Maastricht conference would maybe be
> >                  better a little later than in the proposal. Maybe 14/15
> >                  dec. This would allow enough time between the two events
> >                  to prepare the later. And it would be darn right cool
> >                  that the Pirates would have their own Maastricht treaty
> >                  on how the EU should work.
> >
> >                   
> >                  Regards,
> >                  Koen De Voegt
> >                   
> >
> >
> >                  2013/10/28 quisqo <henk.heslinga AT piratenpartij.nl
> >                  <mailto:henk.heslinga AT piratenpartij.nl>>
> >
> >                      hello everyone,
> >
> >                       We'd like to propose a new date to meet up with a
> >                      group of
> >                      international Pirate-party members in Maastricht.
> >                      The idea for the
> >                      last meet, to help spark debate around political
> >                      matters, we think
> >                      should remain unchanged. An agenda for the weekend
> >                      and organisational
> >                      specifications can be elaborated on in the working
> >                      document for the
> >                      cancelled meet:
> >                      http://piratepad.be/p/PiratePartyPolitics_conference
> >
> >                      For now we made a (provisional) reservation at 'the
> >                      Landhuis', an open
> >                      community squad in Maastricht that that can hold up
> >                      to around 60
> >                      people. We reserved the place for saturday the 30th
> >                      of november and
> >                      sunday the first of december. We can either use one
> >                      or both days. We
> >                      added a date-choice at the top of the pad, either
> >                      that and/or this
> >                      mailing (reply all) might be used to see which date
> >                      is preferred by
> >                      everyone. As for NL, either day or both days are
> >                      alright with us.
> >
> >                      We'd like to propose that all of us send out
> >                      invitations through all
> >                      used communications channels. In that way, everybody
> >                      who might like to
> >                      join, has the opportunity to reserve a place. In
> >                      that way, we have the
> >                      best guarantee that the meet remains open.
> >
> >                      For information about the location:
> >                      http://hetlandhuis.org/wordpress/172-2/  (the site
> >                      is in dutch)
> >
> >                      please email us if you have any questions, comments,
> >                      requests:
> >                      henk.heslinga AT piratenpartij.nl
> >                      <mailto:henk.heslinga AT piratenpartij.nl> or
> >                      qualia AT piratenpartij.nl
> >                      <mailto:qualia AT piratenpartij.nl> (Nienke Hoekstra)
> >
> >                      We hope to be looking forward to an open,
> >                      experimental and succesful meet,
> >
> >                       Henk Heslinga  (general organisation for NL)
> >                       Nienke Hoekstra (local facilitation Maastricht;
> >                      location, meals,
> >                      sleepover, etc.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                   
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> >                  
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