Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] Public mirrors

["marc" <marc AT merkstduwas.de>]

Hi Mike,

That's damned close to what we would like to achieve with our idea of 
d!sco - the Discussion Ontologie Framework.

Except that we don't want the users to do all those plumbing (linking 
discussions) themselves. So obviously (c) is were we follow a slightly 
different approach at the moment.

But I know that this is your 'ultimate' constraint and vitally important for 
you to fulfill (a) and (b), but we believe in the power of open standards. 
That means in our vision d!sco becomes the open and transparent ground for 
sharing and synchronising discussion data throughout the internet. Like the 
http protocol enables communication between distributed, collaborative 
information systems already, one thing we would like to add here is 
semantics.

In our opinion it is far much easier to achieve short-term practical results 
by concentrating those who are already familiar with the principles of 
e-democracy - like the tool and concept developers - instead of teaching 
these principles to the public first.

BUT we might think about how to integrate your approach of public submission 
into the d!sco conception...

Cheers
marc

-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Allan
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:17 AM
To: AG Meinungsfindungstool
Subject: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] Public mirrors

Dear folks, (apologies for the English cross-post)

I'm seeking potential collaborators to help move a small project
forward.  This would be for technically inclined thinkers or do-ers
with a little spare time to volunteer.  Please forward to anyone you
think might be interested.  My contact details are at bottom.

The following description is abstracted from a larger design sketch:
http://zelea.com/mediawiki/index.php?oldid=5998

  A public mirror is a device that enables an open, topical community
  (a public) to formalize the definitive bounds of its own communica-
  tions, and therein the image of itself.  It works by revealing the
  topical discussion as a whole.  The revealing image is formed at
  the mirror front as a timely sequence of references (links) each
  pointing to a communication of the public, such that all links
  together define the total of that public's communications in time
  and space.


      reveals the
    whole discussion
          /\                          on a single topic
         /  \                              /
        /    \                            /
     Ago     Place      Thread           /
    -------  ---------  ----------------/---------------------
    17 min   r/Foo      Who are these Foos, anyway?
     5 hr    Foo-L      The problem with so and so's proposal.
     1 day   FuBarz     What's the best thingamy for such and such?
     1 day   r/Foo      This, that, and the next thing.
     2 days  FooForum   How do we attach the doohickey?
    -------  -----\---  --------------------------------------
       V           \                         (click to visit)
                    \                                    \
                 cuts across                              \
                  all media                            affords entry
                                                      to the discussion

    [MF]  Concept sketch of a mirror front.
          http://zelea.com/project/mir/mirrorFront-concept-620.png


  The mirror front is similar in form to a conventional news feed.
  It aggregates a timely sequence of disclosures concerning a
  specific topic or topical category.  The differences are in a) the
  exclusion of mass communications from the sequence, b) the claim to
  totality, and c) the self-determination that redeems that claim.
  (a) A principle criterion for the inclusion of a boundary link in
  the sequence is that one may immediately join the linked communica-
  tion and reply in kind as a peer.  The link is always actually to
  an *inter*-communication, a thread of discussion, and always among
  peers; unidirectional or asymmetric exchanges such as mass
  communications are excluded.

  (b) The image formed at the mirror front is asserted to cover the
  entire public discussion of the topic across all communication
  media and sites.  It claims to be the most complete, accurate and
  up-to-date outline of the extended discourse that is available
  anywhere.

  (c) This claim is redeemed by the public members themselves who
  continually submit the boundary links, self-organize the necessary
  labour, and self-constitute the necessary government.  No aspect of
  this redeeming self-determination is controlled by an external
  authority.

--
Michael Allan

Toronto, +1 416-699-9528
mike+dated+1378525978.323905 AT havoc.zelea.com
http://zelea.com/

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