Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [INVITATION] 2012-11-10 - intermix.org - International E-Democracy Talk V

[Roger Eaton <rogerweaton AT gmail.com>]

Marc and the Piraten and MetaGovt folks, 

Many thanks for inviting me to talk.  The recording is two hours long!  If you dip in, be sure to find a
 spot where I am being asked questions.  Here's the link: 

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/107231073/AG%20Meinungsfindungstool/Session%20recordings/Mumble-2012-11-10-21-15-58-mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de-Mixdown.ogg

I can't say I was very articulate, but I think I got what I wanted to say across. 
 The group was small and friendly.  Several of the ideas behind InterMix 
were new to them and they seemed to enjoy something so novel coming 
their way.  At the end several of the attendees expressed interest in 
being on the InterMix steering committee.  When InterMix opens for its test phase later this month, I will post the link to join as a member of the InterMix Steering Committee here on Metagov and the Meinungsfindungstool list of the Pirates Party.

One thing the questions made me realize is that there is a certain 
ambiguity about the InterMix Voices of Humanity in that they are not groups, but 
rather automatic recombinations.  For instance a San Francisco Bay Area 
Voice of Women can be constructed by setting the InterMix discussion filters, but the input 
will have come in from multiple groups, and so the messages may not be 
centered on Bay Area Women's issues.  I bet we can fix something up 
to handle this. 

Another thing for the future when InterMix has a way of structuring 
topics, which it does not have yet, is to figure out how can we assure that a person's article on a 
certain topic doesn't have to be posted separately in each group the 
person belongs to.

Also I learned from Pietro about the idea of a Pareto Front.  If applied to the InterMix 
dual rating scale, for interest and approval, the Pareto front plots messages on the two scales and
 is the string of outermost candidates.  Here is an example from 
wikipedia where the lower score is best, so it is the innermost 
candidates that are of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Front_pareto.svg.  Down the road I will want to look at ways to use the Pareto front to select messages for further consideration.  

InterMix is set up to elect messages written by individuals.  As such, my hope is that InterMix will be good for building a broad consensus on general terms.  In discussion it was pointed out that there are other approaches where a group cooperates to create a message.  These latter approaches are clearly better for handling a complex topic in a detailed way.  Perhaps we should think about ways to meld the two methods so a group can decide which way is more appropriate in a given circumstance.

Thanks again and I recommend others to take the opportunity that the German Pirate Party has generously created for us here.  

-- Roger Eaton
USA 415 933 0153
skype: rogereaton

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:09 PM, marc <marc AT merkstduwas.de> wrote:

Hi Folks!

The working group 'AG Meinungsfindungstool' of the Pirate Party Germany would like to invite you to the 5th International E-Democracy Talk!

Please note that all session are going to be held in english.


WHEN?

On Saturday 10th November 2012
At 09:00 PM (UTC+1 Berlin time)


WHAT?

**Roger Eaton** presents the concept and idea of **intermix.org**:

InterMix Collective Communication Software recombines group participants online to create six collective Voices of Humanity: Women, Men, Youth, Experience (middle-aged), Wisdom (seniors) and the Voice of Humanity as One.

See http://intermix.org/overview.htm for more information.

The working pad for the session can be found here:
http://meinungsfindungstool.piratenpad.de/InternationalEDemocracyTalk-2012-11-10


WHERE?

Server: mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de
Port: 64738 (standard)
User: <any>
Passwort: <none>
Raum: Bund / Arbeitsgemeinschaften / Technik(IT) / AG Meinungsfindungstool

You don't know Mumble? Click on the link below to learn more:
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/


WHY?

Please choose from the following reasons:

A) Share knowledge to learn from each other.
B) Join forces to upgrade democracy.
C) Prepare for the future.


PLEASE NOTE!

The session is going to be recorded and published for later download.

Please find the recordings of previous sessions on the event page:
http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/AG_Meinungsfindungstool/E-democracy_talk#Events


WHAT'S NEXT?

If you are interested in presenting YOUR project, concept or idea at the International E-Democray Talk, feel free to sign up and enter your prefered schedule on the event page.

The prefered time slot is around 1pm Pacific / 9pm Berlin / 7am Sydney, on Saturday(pm)/Sunday(am).


WHAT ELSE?

If you have any queries, don't hesitate to contact our working group:
Ag-meinungsfindungstool@lists.piratenpartei.de

Or subscribe to our mailing list:
https://service.piratenpartei.de/listinfo/ag-meinungsfindungstool


STAY TUNED!

Each upcoming International E-Democracy Talk is going to be announced to the metagovernment.org mailing list.

Please feel free to subscribe and join the discussion:
http://metagovernment.org/mailman/listinfo/start_metagovernment.org



Cheers
marc

-- 
Roger Eaton