[Nds-kv-grafschaft-bentheim] Fwd: Re: [Nds-vorstaende] Fwd/Re: CleanIT - das geht ja mal gar nicht!

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Gruß
Jürgen Schöpping
(von unterwegs)
http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Benutzer:J%C3%BCrgen_Sch%C3%B6pping

"(Christian) Jason Peper" <trublu AT c-peper.de> schrieb:

Am 26.09.2012 00:02, schrieb Thomas Gaul:

> Ich verbreite, obwohl ich mehr ins Bett gehöre als an den Rechner:

Kann das so auch auf die Aktive-Nds?

> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Betreff: 	[pp-leaders] Official PPCH Statement on the CleanIT Project
> Datum: 	Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:07:29 +0200
> Von: 	Thomas Bruderer <thomas.bruderer AT piratenpartei.ch>
> An: 	pp-leaders AT lists.pp-international.net
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Pirates,
> *
> *
> *This a joint statement of the whole Board of PP-CH, all 10 Boardmembers
> are supporting Pascal Gloor and this Statement unanimously:*
> 
> The German Pirates made a press release about the Clean IT Project this
> Sunday and since then we had quite a campaign and some puzzled faces
> because 
 on
their webpage the Pirate Party Switzerland is listed with
> Pascal Gloor as a participant.
> 
> Pascal Gloor is Vice-President of the Pirate Party Switzerland and was
> present on multiple meetings on the Clean IT project, even though the
> Pirate Party Switzerland never participated officially, Pascal Gloor was
> present during the whole process, and he is listed on the page as
> participant, we are not supporters of the project. We were informed
> about the project at all times.
> 
> The current draft which leaked to the German Pirates was the text before
> the last meeting and does not represent the current discussion points.
> Major flaws have been removed. There is no newer document yet, the
> changes from the last meeting are incorporated for the next meeting.
> 
> The Pirate Party Switzerland fully supports Pascal Gloor and its
> participation
  in the
Clean IT Project. We believe that active
> participation is a good way to achieve our goals, we try to convince the
> decision makers on good ideas rather than frontal opposition which can
> only lead in a Yes/No, we believe that the matter at hand is too complex
> to not offer the open discussion. We think this is a promising way to
> get influence in important decisions.
> 
> The meetings were not secret, but the participation was confidential -
> parts of the leaked document showed why this was confidential also to
> protect the involved people from criticism on an unfinished process. The
> group of participants was not that closed and a leak was only a matter
> of time. It is obvious that taskforces need a limited number of
> participants to make progress and some progress has been achieved.
> Still, the Pirate Party Switzerland neither endorse nor supports the
&gt
 ;
CleanIT project, but Pascal Gloor will actively participate.
> 
> People involved in the project are getting hate mails which is
> absolutely not acceptable and absolutely not the way we want to
> communicate. We are a political party which wants to get influence
> through a valid discussion, and political participation. We do not
> accept insults and we are very disappointed that the discussion is not
> more constructive.
> 
> We want to enable an open discussion and also the CleanIT Projet leaders
> admit that a bit more openness would be possible. We hope that also the
> leak will help that the project communicates more openly. The website
> already has changed, and the publication of the participation list comes
> on the initiative of Pascal Gloor.
> 
> The timing of the German Pirates press release was extremely bad and
> since it is an internat
 ional
project it would be better to communicate
> such releases internationally before going public. We propose to work
> together internationally, that's what the PPI is for.
> 
> Maybe some other parties know more, or like in this case are directly
> involved and could actually give you more accurate information. We
> already contacted the german pirates through the proper channel (the
> international coordinator), but this is in such a case obviously too
> slow, we don't have any answers yet.
> 
> Blind opposition is not helpful, we hope we can now constructively open
> the discussion on Clean IT.
> 
> For the meeting in Vienna there is a plan to involve journalists. The
> idea is that each participant would be allowed to bring a journalist to
> the meeting - Pascal Gloor already has spoken to a journalist which
> would be glad to participate.
>
  > Regards,
> /Thomas Bruderer on behalf of the Board,/
> /Pirate Party Switzerland,/
> 
> 
> ----
> 
> Persönliches Postscriptum: Ich hatte mit Pascal telefoniert. Es kommen
> auch noch Dinge auf Englisch, vermutlich auch auf Deutsch dazu.
> Hintergrund, Pascal ist der "Franzose" bei den Schweizern. Auch die
> nächste Offensive war/ist in Vorbereitung. Und nebenfrage, darf man auch
> mal wirklich krank sein ohne handeln zu müssen? Oder muß wirklich alles
> mit Aktionismus hinterlegt sein. #WiederWeg #krank
> 
> 


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