Re: [Int-koordination] [pp-eu.council] Proposal for the next real live meeting of CEEP working groups

[<marketa.gregorova AT pirati.cz>]

Excuse me, Thomas, but this is a very rude thing to say.

First things first: "A meeting like that in Athens isn't welcomed." - That is not correct, as such a meeting already happened in Barcelona, where we all polished, what is unacceptable for some parties and crucial for others and PPDE participated actively. Since then we are not adding anything too much and just trying to reach a consensus. That is why after the deadline 20th December has been stated several weeks ago, I also repeated that we should only cross out what we disagree with and finalize it and that what will be in the docs after that will be considered a final version.

To arrive eight days before this deadline (and two weeks before the end of the year when it was said half a year ago the program shall be done) with a proposal to meet and discuss it further at the end of January is unprecedented itself, but to declare it the end of democracy in the PPEU is really offensive. I'm very sad about this approach of yours (and not only yours). I want the CEEP to be a consensual issue and I'm striving for that the whole time, but you are the one changing the agreed-on decisions, not me or the board. :( What was the meeting in Barcelona for then? Why do you ignore the agreed-on deadlines and come up with a new procedure just before the finalization?

Sorry for my more emotional message, but I consider this really unfair after all the effort I put into making it acceptable for all the parties.

Regards,

Markéta Gregorová


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Od: Alexander Spies <aspies AT berlin.piratenpartei.de>
Komu: pp-eu.council AT lists.european-pirateparty.eu
Datum: 12. 12. 2018 23:37:20
Předmět: Re: [pp-eu.council] [Int-koordination] Proposal for the next real
 live meeting of CEEP working groups
> Hallo,
>
> Das ist schade. Also, ran an die Tasten und, falls notwendig,
> Änderungsanträge formulieren.
>
> Viele Grüße,
>
> Alexander
>
>
> Am 12.12.18 um 23:17 schrieb Thomas Gaul:
> > Der Vorschlag wurde behandelt. Natürlich wurde nicht darüber beschlossen.
> >
> > In Summa: man braucht keine weiteren Meetings darüber. Nur die
> > Unterzeichnung. So in einfach das PPEU-Board.
> >
> > Wir haben ja bis zum 20.12.2018 Zeit etwas abzulehnen oder etwas verändern.
> >
> > Ein Treffen wie in Athen ist nicht gerne gesehen. Frau Vorsitzende hatte
> > intensiv dagegen gesprochen weil es ist ja bereits finalisiert. In
> > Luxembourg soll dann alles am 09.02.2019 unterzeichnet werden.
> >
> > Das ist in meinen Augen das Ende des echten demokratischen
> > Beteiligungsprozess bei der PPEU.
> >
> > Jm2c eben runtergeschrieben
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > Am 12.12.2018 um 20:09 schrieb Thomas Gaul:
> >> Dear Board of PPEU,
> >>
> >> the German international team and with this the German council members
> >> suggest the following:
> >>
> >> In follow up of the meeting in Barcelona there will be a final meeting
> >> of the working groups for the CEEP 2019 end of January."
> >>
> >> Possible Dates: 19./20. or 26./27. January 2019.
> >>
> >> Berlin offers to organize such a meeting and a conference location.
> >>
> >> Short reasoning:
> >>
> >> A CEEP 2019 needs to be finalised according the processes we have had up to the CEEP 2014 and before accepted a Council meeting of the PPEU in early 2019.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> On behalf of the German Council members and the international team of PPDE
> >>
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >>