Re: [Ag Meinungsfindungstool] [MG] List of primary voting projects

[Roger Eaton <rogerweaton AT gmail.com>]

I've signed up and applauded.  Is there anything else I need to do?  Please do add InterMix to the list of providers. 

InterMix Voices of Humanity Software.  Giving collective voices to groups, and to the genders and ages of humanity.  Contact Roger Eaton +1 415 933-0153 - intermix.org.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Michael Allan <mike AT zelea.com> wrote:

Roger Eaton said:
> Yes, then InterMix is definitely a primary system.  The point is to
> generate consensus while maintaining diversity.

Thanks for explaining Roger, I've added InterMix to the list:
http://zelea.com/w/Stuff:List_of_primary_voting_projects

> Generally you can change your approval and interest ratings.  Even during a
> decision period, you can change your ratings for candidate messages.
> However for candidate messages in completed decision periods, you cannot
> change your ratings.  Results for decison periods are frozen when the
> period ends.
>
> Candidate messages are always the root message of a thread within a
> decision period.  Replies to candidate messages are not limited and even
> after the end of a decision period, you can still add new replies.  Also
> you can continue to change your evaluation of replies indefinitely.
>
> I am glad to see CiviQ and GenAssem and all the primary systems on your
> list and feel it an excellent idea to try vote mirroring, though clearly it
> is going to be tough, since each primary system has its own approach.

In one sense, it's easy to do vote translations.  They only have to be
best effort, because a best effort at a vote image is always a better
reflection of reality than no image at all.

Please consider joining us in our submission:
https://www.newschallenge.org/open/open-government/submission/free-range-voting/
If you agree, we can add InterMix to the list of providers.  If any of
the judges are hovering, it might push us over the top. :-)

> On a separate issue, I discussed with Flemming the question of html vs text
> email and we have added giving the participant the option of receiving text
> or html to our list of things to do.  It's down the list, tho.  As far as
> we know, almost everyone (clearly yourself excepted) uses an email reader
> that handles html as a matter of course.

IMHO, it's better to send text alone, or multi-part.  That's what most
everyone does.  It's easier and generally it's better to follow
standards unless there's a good reason to deviate.

> ...  It's down the list, tho.  As far as we know, almost everyone

> (clearly yourself excepted) uses an email reader that handles html
> as a matter of course.

Many technical folks (admins, devs) who spend big time in text
terminals use Mutt.  It does not render HTML.  http://www.mutt.org/
None of the TUI-only clients render HTML:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_email_clients

> Thanks again, Mike.   If I am passing through Toronto, I will look you up
> for sure.

Thanks Roger, I'd be pleased to meet you!

Mike

> -- Roger Eaton
> +1 415 933 0153
> intermix.org
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Michael Allan <mike AT zelea.com> wrote:
>
> > Roger Eaton said:
> > > I'm not sure what you mean by micro-decision.  The discussion might
> > > be about nuclear disarmament and the decision period might be on the
> > > question of adopting a nuclear convention.  Theoretically there is
> > > no limit to the number of people who can participate.  Not exactly a
> > > micro issue, but clearly InterMix is not a yes-no voting system.  It
> > > is more a way of creating a consensus building collective stream of
> > > consciousness.
> >
> > "Micro" here refers not to the scale of participation, but rather to
> > the granularity of issue.  A full nuclear convention is definitely a
> > macro-decision.  For more on micro vs. macro-scale granularity, please
> > see these discussions:
> >
> > https://www.newschallenge.org/open/open-government/submission/genassem-public-debate-of-legislation-and-caselaw-in-a-way-that-just-makes-sense/
> >
> > https://www.newschallenge.org/open/open-government/submission/civiq-shows-structure-in-natural-opinion-flow-and-visualises-opinion-change-in-public-deliberations/
> >
> > If InterMix can be used to express approval or disapproval of
> > macro-decisions *before* those decisions are made, and thus serve to
> > guide those decisions, then it's a primary system.  But I still have a
> > question that relates to this.  May I freely change my _expression_ of
> > approval after submitting it?  Or what are the restrictions?
> >
> > And do these on-the-fly changes of approval work differently in
> > different contexts.  Say for ordinary messages vs. messages in
> > decision periods?
> >
> > Mike

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